Anonymous
09/27/2023 14:00
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don’t the stores have insurance??? These are nonviolent crimes, people! Have some perspective and empathy.
Yes, empathy for them so hard that there is nothing left, but us!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-store-closures/index.html
A right winger supporting a right winger pp. You guys are adorable.
Anonymous
Anonymous
09/27/2023 13:19
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good?
They need iPhones, sneakers and designer purses. Which social services department is in charge of those?
I mean we can all pack up and go home now. The answer is so clear, if we dump an unknown sum of money into amorphous services for under resourced communities, for an endless periods of time, in 50 years the crime crisis might slow. But in the interim it’s unfair to arrest and prosecute violent criminals because they live in under resourced communities.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 13:15
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.
It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.
Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.
What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.
Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.
I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.
Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?
I believe you are referring to public services that are designed to give kids growing up in poverty a better chance at equal opportunity from birth such as universal pre-K, and universal pre-pre-K and so on. Public support for disadvantaged kids is much more effective when those kids are reached out to ages younger than 5. That's a no-brainer. I can't think of a more logical and effective way of using public resources to help in giving all kids an equal opportunity at success in life and a better chance of being steered away from a life of crime than the availability of publicly funded pre-school for children starting at the earliest age possible. There's just one problem- young children can't vote and therefore don't have votes to buy. Our politicians are more interested in things like tax breaks to large corporations and handouts to those that were lucky enough to go to college because those types of actions can be politically beneficial either as return back scratch for a prior election or a vote buy ahead of the next election. Otherwise, reaching out to help young children in an attempt to steer them away from crime and towards success is exactly what we should be doing. This being said; reallocating funds from policing services is definitely not a step to be taken at this time and shouldn't be part of the conversation anytime soon. We as a nation have the money and resources to do more to lift children out of poverty and by lifting those kids up, the American taxpayer will effectively be on the hook for less welfare/social safety net spending in the future. All of this is theoretically possible with the help of future government leaders of higher quality.
Why can't both be done? I'm all for community resources from a birth to help kids growing up among poverty escape that poverty and lead a better life. Those types of resources must absolutely be provided. But I'm not naive enough to think everyone will use those resources to better their lives/to escape a certain lifestyle. I realize that there will be people who even though they have access to those resources will still choose a life of crime. There is only so much society can do for those people if their parents are failing them this much. To those people - help us help you. Society tried but you still chose a life of crime so you will get the consequences.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 13:12
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good?
They need iPhones, sneakers and designer purses. Which social services department is in charge of those?
Anonymous
09/27/2023 13:05
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.
It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.
Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.
What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.
Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.
I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.
Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?
I believe you are referring to public services that are designed to give kids growing up in poverty a better chance at equal opportunity from birth such as universal pre-K, and universal pre-pre-K and so on. Public support for disadvantaged kids is much more effective when those kids are reached out to ages younger than 5. That's a no-brainer. I can't think of a more logical and effective way of using public resources to help in giving all kids an equal opportunity at success in life and a better chance of being steered away from a life of crime than the availability of publicly funded pre-school for children starting at the earliest age possible. There's just one problem- young children can't vote and therefore don't have votes to buy. Our politicians are more interested in things like tax breaks to large corporations and handouts to those that were lucky enough to go to college because those types of actions can be politically beneficial either as return back scratch for a prior election or a vote buy ahead of the next election. Otherwise, reaching out to help young children in an attempt to steer them away from crime and towards success is exactly what we should be doing. This being said; reallocating funds from policing services is definitely not a step to be taken at this time and shouldn't be part of the conversation anytime soon. We as a nation have the money and resources to do more to lift children out of poverty and by lifting those kids up, the American taxpayer will effectively be on the hook for less welfare/social safety net spending in the future. All of this is theoretically possible with the help of future government leaders of higher quality.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 12:56
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Don’t the stores have insurance??? These are nonviolent crimes, people! Have some perspective and empathy.
How long do you think insurance will keep them? How much will it affect insurance payments? Where will insurance get money after so many large pa?
Anonymous
09/27/2023 12:56
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.
It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.
Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.
What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.
Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.
I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.
Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?
What are these "community services" that would be as effective at preventing crime as law enforcement?
How has law enforcement in Philadelphia done so far in preventing these crimes? Law enforcement actually sucks at crime prevention. They're not so great in post-crime work, either, but they really head into the crapper when you're talking about crime prevention.
How do you expect law enforcement to “prevent crimes” from happening? Shouldn’t people just not loot and maaaaaybe sort of be accountable for their own behavior and not commit the crimes? Or is that too much to ask for? It’s always someone else’s fault and not the criminal with progressives.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 12:08
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.
It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.
Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.
What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.
Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.
I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.
Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?
What are these "community services" that would be as effective at preventing crime as law enforcement?
How has law enforcement in Philadelphia done so far in preventing these crimes? Law enforcement actually sucks at crime prevention. They're not so great in post-crime work, either, but they really head into the crapper when you're talking about crime prevention.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 12:07
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don’t the stores have insurance??? These are nonviolent crimes, people! Have some perspective and empathy.
Yes, empathy for them so hard that there is nothing left, but us!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-store-closures/index.html
Sorry, insurance doesn't cover theft from criminal gangs. Theft shows as a loss on the P&L statement. Ultimately the stores close if they are not profitable due to neighborhood theft. The community loses out.
+1 Target is closing some of their stores due to high theft. The people who suffer are the workers and the honest people who shop there.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 12:03
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Don’t the stores have insurance??? These are nonviolent crimes, people! Have some perspective and empathy.
Yes, empathy for them so hard that there is nothing left, but us!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-store-closures/index.html
Sorry, insurance doesn't cover theft from criminal gangs. Theft shows as a loss on the P&L statement. Ultimately the stores close if they are not profitable due to neighborhood theft. The community loses out.
Anonymous
09/27/2023 12:02
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:You can fund the police however you want it, but no amount of money makes a difference if the political impetus isn't on cracking down on crime. Why bother arresting looters or criminals when a soft on crime DA drops the charges? Why go after petty crime when nothing happens but paperwork and the perp still walks away.
These kids looted because they know nothing will happen to them. And nothing will happen because the police know the courts and politicians get in the way.
It's not just Philly but most major cities including DC. Crime is exploding because the police aren't allowed to be policemen any more. If the police proactively tackle crime, they are racist, so they don't do anything.
But I'll concede the infamous comment that people voted for it rings true. You live in a big city, you vote for the Democrats, you effectively voted for this.
+1 truth well said
+100
+2
Anonymous
09/27/2023 12:01
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Don’t the stores have insurance??? These are nonviolent crimes, people! Have some perspective and empathy.
Yes, empathy for them so hard that there is nothing left, but us!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/09/26/business/target-retail-theft-store-closures/index.html
Anonymous
09/27/2023 11:59
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.
It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.
Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.
What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.
Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.
I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.
Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?
What are these "community services" that would be as effective at preventing crime as law enforcement?
Anonymous
09/27/2023 11:56
Subject: Widespread looting in Philadelphia right now
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's astounding that the police let crime run rampant in protest of a paltry 2.5% budget cut, which also hit other city departments due to COVID revenue shortfall.
It's almost as though the police union is running an extortion racket on the city.
Or it could be because of progressive morons they elect to be judges and prosecutors who let criminals out with a stern talking to after multiple crimes are committed.
What's the point of policing if you keep arresting the same one man crime waves over and over and over again yet progressive Democrats keep letting them back out on the streets due to some insanely warped idea of progressive criminal justice? They made sure as hell they don't punish for retail theft and crime, now it is a free for all looting binge, because they know if cops catch them they'll be released anyway because locking them up would be racist and oppression.
Yeah, that’s all gonna need some cites. Because every story I’ve heard about people calling the police to report crimes has the police saying “we don’t do that.” Maybe the police could start to do their jobs instead of tormenting people. Actual policing might help.
I think you’ve bought into a narrative that all police just go around tormenting people and that’s just not true. There are bad apples, yes, but it’s not all police. You are posting an emotion, not by verifiable metrics.
Additionally, why don’t you do a Ward 8 right along and 3am and have your bubble of oppression deflated a little? Being a beat cop is an incredible stressful job dealing with violent or insane people.
Wouldn't it be great if they actually resourced community services to handle these "violent or insane people" to get them on-the-ground, before-the-crime resources so that they wouldn't commit crimes? Like actually give them what they need rather than just arresting them, which does no one any good? Kind of like, oh, I don't know, reallocating those police dollars to community services that will actually at least attempt to solve the problem and not just put a band-aid on it?