Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 11:08     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:Admittedly, I have not read all the replies here so I may be repeating something that’s already been suggested…
OP, reach out to the other parents in the class. This is effecting all of the children in that classroom. You all need to take your concerns to the administration. You want to know what specifically is being done to support the teacher and this child. What can you, as parents, do? Set up a volunteer calendar so that there is always another adult in the room? If that isn’t feasible the parents need to demand that non-classroom
staff be reassigned to provide direct support while the school works through whatever process they need to. Organize and then hold the administration accountable.


Why not hold the child’s parents accountable? They can make the parents sit in school with their kids.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 11:07     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:The supports required are not funded. We have poorly funded legal requirements that do not serve most students and teachers well.


Np most of these violent students are not special needs but they’re being treated like they have special needs. They’re either not disciplined at all at home or they are victims/witnesses to domestic violence.

I remember such kids spending time in juvenile detention center schools.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 11:02     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:You will lose your kid’s trust and respect if you don’t move them to a safe classroom, put them in private, or homeschool.
Ask me how I know.


This. The child is too young to express trauma. It will surface in the years to come in different ways of you don’t take action that conveys “I believe you” and “I will protect you”. We teach our children how to advocate for themselves and “use their words”, but this is kindergarten. We have to show them first.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 10:57     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
10:55 and I forgot to say, let the teacher know you are doing this ahead of time. Be clear that you are advocating for support for her and the child. Let her know the parents have her back.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 10:55     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Admittedly, I have not read all the replies here so I may be repeating something that’s already been suggested…
OP, reach out to the other parents in the class. This is effecting all of the children in that classroom. You all need to take your concerns to the administration. You want to know what specifically is being done to support the teacher and this child. What can you, as parents, do? Set up a volunteer calendar so that there is always another adult in the room? If that isn’t feasible the parents need to demand that non-classroom
staff be reassigned to provide direct support while the school works through whatever process they need to. Organize and then hold the administration accountable.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 10:39     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the progressive mantra is that all people are entitled to a mainstream education so those at the bottom behaviorally or intellectually can have good examples and be pulled up. The losers, of course, are the stable and focused kids.


My Republican friend, it is a law so progressive or not, you are supposed to follow it. I understand sometimes your party and its leaders choose not to follow laws, but most people don’t like jail.


I’m not a Republican. I’m also stating facts. Congratulations on the ad hominem attack. Did you have anything substantive to add? The fact this was codified into law was a result of the mantra. This does hurt certain populations, but because we feel they can suffer, we let it go.


No you are not. The FACT is more kids are born with autism than before. The FACT is the law was in place to help sped families of all varieties. The FACT is we have more violent kids who need a different kind of service and iDEA hasn’t kept up with the rising rates of emotional disorders or adhd or autism.
The FaCT is that the latest iteration of the law was revisited in 2004 as part of no child left behind- the one w started. It needs to be revised again, but claiming progressive thinking did it is NOT Factual.


There are no significant problems with the federal law, which simply says you have to provide an appropriate education to kids with disabilities, along with procedural safeguards so parents can protect the rights of their children.

The problem is that school districts aren't doing that.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 10:34     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because the progressive mantra is that all people are entitled to a mainstream education so those at the bottom behaviorally or intellectually can have good examples and be pulled up. The losers, of course, are the stable and focused kids.


My Republican friend, it is a law so progressive or not, you are supposed to follow it. I understand sometimes your party and its leaders choose not to follow laws, but most people don’t like jail.


I’m not a Republican. I’m also stating facts. Congratulations on the ad hominem attack. Did you have anything substantive to add? The fact this was codified into law was a result of the mantra. This does hurt certain populations, but because we feel they can suffer, we let it go.


No you are not. The FACT is more kids are born with autism than before. The FACT is the law was in place to help sped families of all varieties. The FACT is we have more violent kids who need a different kind of service and iDEA hasn’t kept up with the rising rates of emotional disorders or adhd or autism.
The FaCT is that the latest iteration of the law was revisited in 2004 as part of no child left behind- the one w started. It needs to be revised again, but claiming progressive thinking did it is NOT Factual.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 10:31     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The supports required are not funded. We have poorly funded legal requirements that do not serve most students and teachers well.


So go to the school board and your county/state reps and tell them to increase funding and/or reprioritize current educational spending. PTAs and teachers unions regularly lobby for spending, but they've been historically quiet on special education.


This is the way. PTAs and teachers unions have no power to change a federal law. The spending is one part of it. The other part is that parents should not be allowed to override placement decisions if a student has been violent or threatened violence-- and what reasonably constitutes "violence" should not be up to police or even school boards to decide. It should be decided by the people who spend 35 hours per week with the student and are actually subjected to the behaviors.


A major problem is schools that won't provide the necessary supports in the general classroom environment. I agree that students who pose a legitimate risk to others should be placed in a safe environment, but the basis for a restrictive placement can't be based on the school refusing to provide supports in the home school.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 10:07     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The supports required are not funded. We have poorly funded legal requirements that do not serve most students and teachers well.


So go to the school board and your county/state reps and tell them to increase funding and/or reprioritize current educational spending. PTAs and teachers unions regularly lobby for spending, but they've been historically quiet on special education.


This is the way. PTAs and teachers unions have no power to change a federal law. The spending is one part of it. The other part is that parents should not be allowed to override placement decisions if a student has been violent or threatened violence-- and what reasonably constitutes "violence" should not be up to police or even school boards to decide. It should be decided by the people who spend 35 hours per week with the student and are actually subjected to the behaviors.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 09:52     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:The supports required are not funded. We have poorly funded legal requirements that do not serve most students and teachers well.


So go to the school board and your county/state reps and tell them to increase funding and/or reprioritize current educational spending. PTAs and teachers unions regularly lobby for spending, but they've been historically quiet on special education.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 09:45     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
The supports required are not funded. We have poorly funded legal requirements that do not serve most students and teachers well.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 09:44     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The school is saying this student is dealing with anger management issues and that this is not the first classmate incident. They are monitoring the situation. Teacher profusely apologized and admitted she is struggling to retain control of the student. I have about a million emotions going at the same time.


Shocking the school would give you any information about another child. Public school?


Are you serious? You think it’s reasonable or normal that a child come home from school bruised or bleeding and that the parent is owed nothing in terms of an explanation?

I would be making a police report and filing charges.


DP
The PP didn’t say the parent isn’t owed an explanation.

I too am surprised she was told the other student is “dealing with anger management issues”. That’s not appropriate.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 09:40     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Anonymous wrote:The laws need to change to protect students and teachers. Right now the law is on the side of the violent offenders. Perhaps some DCUM legal eagle will work on this!


The law does. But schools aren't appropriately staffing classrooms as required by law.
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 09:32     Subject: When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
IDEA has got to be changed. This is not sustainable
Anonymous
Post 09/24/2023 08:44     Subject: Re:When is a classroom unsafe? How would you handle? Kindergarten DD scratched in face and kicked in back at recess
Pp again, I found this article sobering. It covers the legal protections afforded students with violent behavior.
Title: Violent kids take over Florida’s classrooms, and they have the law on their side
The drawback today is that the law treats a student with a severe behavioral disorder the same as a harmless student with Down syndrome, ordering that they be educated in regular classrooms unless it’s proven impossible.

https://projects.sun-sentinel.com/teenage-time-bombs/how-schools-manage-violent-kids/