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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

Constant violence? There is no way a bunch of white UMC parents would let their kids stay in Kenmore if there was *constant* violence. That is not a thing.

Also, somebody upthread mentioned the uncomfortable fact that Kenmore students tend to self-segregate. It's highly likely that the victims and the perpetrators are of the same race and often switch roles.

This isn't totally related, but I have substituted in quite a few schools and from what I have seen, classroom behavior is unrelated to race or SES. A lot of students in gifted clusters are more poorly behaved than students in English Learner classes. It depends more on the cohort than SES or the rigor of the classes.

As a sub you don’t get told who is in the gifted cluster.

If the teacher puts it in the sub notes you do....

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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

Constant violence? There is no way a bunch of white UMC parents would let their kids stay in Kenmore if there was *constant* violence. That is not a thing.

Also, somebody upthread mentioned the uncomfortable fact that Kenmore students tend to self-segregate. It's highly likely that the victims and the perpetrators are of the same race and often switch roles.

This isn't totally related, but I have substituted in quite a few schools and from what I have seen, classroom behavior is unrelated to race or SES. A lot of students in gifted clusters are more poorly behaved than students in English Learner classes. It depends more on the cohort than SES or the rigor of the classes.

As a sub you don’t get told who is in the gifted cluster.

Well, unless you sub for the class called "world geography - gifted cluster."

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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

Constant violence? There is no way a bunch of white UMC parents would let their kids stay in Kenmore if there was *constant* violence. That is not a thing.

Also, somebody upthread mentioned the uncomfortable fact that Kenmore students tend to self-segregate. It's highly likely that the victims and the perpetrators are of the same race and often switch roles.

This isn't totally related, but I have substituted in quite a few schools and from what I have seen, classroom behavior is unrelated to race or SES. A lot of students in gifted clusters are more poorly behaved than students in English Learner classes. It depends more on the cohort than SES or the rigor of the classes.

As a sub you don’t get told who is in the gifted cluster.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the state data, in 2021-22, Kenmore reported 65 offenses categorized as "behaviors of a safety concern" and 33 "behaviors that endanger the health safety, or welfare of self or others. For comparison, Swanson's numbers were 10 and 11. That is concerning.

Wouldn’t much of that be stuff like marijuana possession?

No, more likely this relates to a bunch of Tik Tok challenges, and some fighting, that kids were doing that year. There was a cohort of kids who were a mess, likely because of being out of school during Covid. They missed the end of ES and start of MS and had a lot of trouble readjusting. It’s likely there were more kids like this at Kenmore since the school has a larger population of kids whose parents did not work from home and supervise them/their schooling during Covid. This cohort has now moved on to HS. I bet the numbers are down at MS and up at HS.

After that many serious incidents I’d hope the school would expel the students.

For better or for worse, expulsion almost never happens now.

They “transfer” the kids to other schools.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the state data, in 2021-22, Kenmore reported 65 offenses categorized as "behaviors of a safety concern" and 33 "behaviors that endanger the health safety, or welfare of self or others. For comparison, Swanson's numbers were 10 and 11. That is concerning.

Wouldn’t much of that be stuff like marijuana possession?

No, more likely this relates to a bunch of Tik Tok challenges, and some fighting, that kids were doing that year. There was a cohort of kids who were a mess, likely because of being out of school during Covid. They missed the end of ES and start of MS and had a lot of trouble readjusting. It’s likely there were more kids like this at Kenmore since the school has a larger population of kids whose parents did not work from home and supervise them/their schooling during Covid. This cohort has now moved on to HS. I bet the numbers are down at MS and up at HS.

After that many serious incidents I’d hope the school would expel the students.

For better or for worse, expulsion almost never happens now.

That is unfortunate.

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Anonymous wrote:According to the state data, in 2021-22, Kenmore reported 65 offenses categorized as "behaviors of a safety concern" and 33 "behaviors that endanger the health safety, or welfare of self or others. For comparison, Swanson's numbers were 10 and 11. That is concerning.

Wouldn’t much of that be stuff like marijuana possession?

No, more likely this relates to a bunch of Tik Tok challenges, and some fighting, that kids were doing that year. There was a cohort of kids who were a mess, likely because of being out of school during Covid. They missed the end of ES and start of MS and had a lot of trouble readjusting. It’s likely there were more kids like this at Kenmore since the school has a larger population of kids whose parents did not work from home and supervise them/their schooling during Covid. This cohort has now moved on to HS. I bet the numbers are down at MS and up at HS.

After that many serious incidents I’d hope the school would expel the students.

For better or for worse, expulsion almost never happens now.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

Constant violence? There is no way a bunch of white UMC parents would let their kids stay in Kenmore if there was *constant* violence. That is not a thing.

Also, somebody upthread mentioned the uncomfortable fact that Kenmore students tend to self-segregate. It's highly likely that the victims and the perpetrators are of the same race and often switch roles.

This isn't totally related, but I have substituted in quite a few schools and from what I have seen, classroom behavior is unrelated to race or SES. A lot of students in gifted clusters are more poorly behaved than students in English Learner classes. It depends more on the cohort than SES or the rigor of the classes.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

I didn't say that. You just implied that no one goes there willingly, and I said some people do.

DP…Some do that. mostly from gunston. But no one moves to the neighborhood for that school.

Friends of ours are NArl family and sought Ken,ore for arts. They were very pleased. That draw is real and county wide.

Come for the arts. Stay for the dozens of behaviors that endanger the health, safety, and welfare of others.

Are you a Kenmore parent?

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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

I didn't say that. You just implied that no one goes there willingly, and I said some people do.

DP…Some do that. mostly from gunston. But no one moves to the neighborhood for that school.

Friends of ours are NArl family and sought Ken,ore for arts. They were very pleased. That draw is real and county wide.

Come for the arts. Stay for the dozens of behaviors that endanger the health, safety, and welfare of others.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

I didn't say that. You just implied that no one goes there willingly, and I said some people do.

DP…Some do that. mostly from gunston. But no one moves to the neighborhood for that school.

Friends of ours are NArl family and sought Ken,ore for arts. They were very pleased. That draw is real and county wide.

Make sure it is an amazing house bc Kenmore will be a big disappointment. And if your child is currently in a school with a lower EL student population and free and reduced lunch you will be pissed that your kid had to attend Kenmore.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

I didn't say that. You just implied that no one goes there willingly, and I said some people do.

DP…Some do that. mostly from gunston. But no one moves to the neighborhood for that school.

Well, the kids I know who are transfers are from Swanson. I even know one from WMS.

This is all nuts. Kids aren’t in danger at the school.

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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

I didn't say that. You just implied that no one goes there willingly, and I said some people do.

DP…Some do that. mostly from gunston. But no one moves to the neighborhood for that school.

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Anonymous wrote:Maybe stay in Fairfax. That’s where we would prefer being and are looking to move out of APS.

Aren't Fairfax middle schools even more crowded?

They're less crowded now than they were, though how much less is going to depend on the school (and there might be some that increased, though just eyeballing, I don't see any that did).

June 2020, FCPS had

14399 7th grade
14325 8th grade

Data for this year hasn't been released yet, but June 2023 FCPS had

13161 7th grade
13680 8th grade

There were 13489 6th graders in June 2023, so its unlikely there will be that much of a recovery in FCPS's numbers. I don't have good data on how the demographics have changed, but I suspect that a rise in the number of potential students was more than offset by people noping out of the public school system into private.

Above data is from https://schoolprofiles.fcps.edu

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Anonymous wrote:I'll put it this way... no one moves to a neighborhood to go to Kenmore. People DO move to neighborhoods to avoid Kenmore.

I know a number of kids that transfered to kenmore because of their arts focus.

So the constant violence is OK as long as there is an arts focus?

I didn't say that. You just implied that no one goes there willingly, and I said some people do.