Anonymous
09/20/2023 20:23
Subject: Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Why do you all tip bartenders who typically spend 30 seconds getting you a drink but resist tipping others who get you things like at Starbucks or a sandwich shop?
Anonymous
09/20/2023 20:21
Subject: Re:Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yep. I don’t tip on takeout. Tip creep is real. [b]I’m also not tipping on a 6 dollar latte at Starbucks.
We tip generously at restaurants. We tip people throughout the resort on vacation who lug our bags and strollers in and out of the car and to the rooms. I tip the hairstylists.
Tipping at my kids preschools has also gotten out of control at holidays, teacher appreciation week and end of year- PLUS we have a dedicated line item for it on tuition and then are ancouraged to give more. Just charge me an all inclusive number and be done with it. I don’t have time for the mental gymantics and I’d rather just know upfront what I can and can’t afford.
I imagine that the workers at Starbucks figure anyone who would pay $6 for a latte probably multiple times per week obviously has way more money than they need so why wouldn't they gladly tip the person fixing the latte for them?
Where on earth did you get the idea that people should give strangers money just because they can?
I guess the same place so many of you got the idea that people should be stingy just because they can.
Anonymous
09/19/2023 17:57
Subject: Re:Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:I'm fine with having the option, and I much prefer clicking "no" to saying "no" so that's not so bad. What bothers me is when the options are crazy. If I go and get something from a counter, and it comes to $41.21 or something, I would love these options:
Round up: $.79
5%: $2.06
10%: $4.12
OR:
$1
$2
$3
$4
$5
I would do this every time. Instead it's:
15% - $6.18
20% - $8.24
25% - $10.30
Who on earth is tipping SIX DOLLARS to someone who literally just hands you something, and is absolutely getting at least the full minimum wage (not the tipped minimum)? And who is serving a new group every 3 minutes? And I mean 25%? That's what a good tipper tips at a full service restaurants. For a while, I was doing "custom" and choosing $1, but now, honestly, when they give me those crazy numbers, I just hit no.
This is a great idea. I'd round up as well vs say "no"
Anonymous
09/19/2023 16:31
Subject: Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
I don’t tip for carry out or counter service. I got a donut in a bag and did not tip. And never tipped for that previously. Tired of everyone asking for tips.
Anonymous
09/19/2023 16:27
Subject: Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
My friends teen worked at Starbucks 5 years ago and made $15 plus tips. In Fairfax County. They pay a decent wage, I’m not tipping.
Anonymous
09/19/2023 16:25
Subject: Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It's not "pandemic" related; it's enshittification due to modern technology infecting payments.
True. But this experience involved the person asking if I wanted to add a tip. There was no iPad involved.
I would be completely comfortable looking that person in the eye and saying, “No, this is not a service transaction that merits a gratuity.”
I need to become like you. I was so surprised that I answered "10%" and still felt bad about that.
OP
Anonymous
09/19/2023 15:59
Subject: Re:Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yep. I don’t tip on takeout. Tip creep is real. [b]I’m also not tipping on a 6 dollar latte at Starbucks.
We tip generously at restaurants. We tip people throughout the resort on vacation who lug our bags and strollers in and out of the car and to the rooms. I tip the hairstylists.
Tipping at my kids preschools has also gotten out of control at holidays, teacher appreciation week and end of year- PLUS we have a dedicated line item for it on tuition and then are ancouraged to give more. Just charge me an all inclusive number and be done with it. I don’t have time for the mental gymantics and I’d rather just know upfront what I can and can’t afford.
I imagine that the workers at Starbucks figure anyone who would pay $6 for a latte probably multiple times per week obviously has way more money than they need so why wouldn't they gladly tip the person fixing the latte for them?
Where on earth did you get the idea that people should give strangers money just because they can?
Anonymous
09/19/2023 15:02
Subject: Re:Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
I imagine that the workers at Starbucks figure anyone who would pay $6 for a latte probably multiple times per week obviously has way more money than they need so why wouldn't they gladly tip the person fixing the latte for them?
Because tipping is not typical or expected for counter service.
No matter how rich I am, I will never tip for ordinary counter service, since tips are not expected or required for that. I would tip for a very large or complicated order and/or for very special service, but not for serving me a single cup of coffee. Most rich people don't get that way by being careless with money, and I see no reason to go around giving cash to anyone asking for a tip, whether deserved or not.
Table service at restaurants is, of course, a different thing.
Anonymous
09/19/2023 14:31
Subject: Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If workers don't want to be dependent on tips, then they should go apply for a non-tipped position. Employers are desperate - working at a restaurant is not the only option right now.
This argument is so dated. What jobs?! It’s not easy to find a well-paying job without a college degree. And even with a college degree, employers want lots of relevant work experience for entry level jobs.
First of all, I never said "well-paying." But its pretty easy to replace restaurant wages. Second of all, everyone I know is paying $100k minimum for a college degree and a baseline of common sense and ownership, no other specific skills needed. And having an impossible time filling the positions. My friend just had to fire a woman who took her baby of out of daycare and moved out of the country to care for her ailing mother (and the baby) without telling her employer, without filing for FMLA and while claiming to still be working "full-time."
This is not universally true or even close to it.
Anonymous
09/19/2023 14:21
Subject: Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Is this in DC? Minimum wage is going up rapidly. It's about time though. I spent ca 20 years working minimum wage and wage stealing places.
The owners would not be able to keep counter workers unless they advertise 'generous tips from customers'. At least in DC, tipped workers still make more than counter workers and retail.
In sit down restaurants, we let workers go home if it's not busy, which means everyone else staying is about to make more money. Someone stuck at the counter, cannot control their income that way well.
By the way, don't tip on the take-out, but if you are cheap at sit-down restaurants, please stay home. I have to tip out 6.5-7.5% to my co-workers. It's not like I got '$10 an hour from one table' like somebody wrote previously. I actually lost money on such table.
The owners would not be able to keep counter workers unless they advertise 'generous tips from customers'. At least in DC, tipped workers still make more than counter workers and retail.
In sit down restaurants, we let workers go home if it's not busy, which means everyone else staying is about to make more money. Someone stuck at the counter, cannot control their income that way well.
By the way, don't tip on the take-out, but if you are cheap at sit-down restaurants, please stay home. I have to tip out 6.5-7.5% to my co-workers. It's not like I got '$10 an hour from one table' like somebody wrote previously. I actually lost money on such table.
Anonymous
09/19/2023 13:52
Subject: Re:Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:Yep. I don’t tip on takeout. Tip creep is real. [b]I’m also not tipping on a 6 dollar latte at Starbucks.
We tip generously at restaurants. We tip people throughout the resort on vacation who lug our bags and strollers in and out of the car and to the rooms. I tip the hairstylists.
Tipping at my kids preschools has also gotten out of control at holidays, teacher appreciation week and end of year- PLUS we have a dedicated line item for it on tuition and then are ancouraged to give more. Just charge me an all inclusive number and be done with it. I don’t have time for the mental gymantics and I’d rather just know upfront what I can and can’t afford.
I imagine that the workers at Starbucks figure anyone who would pay $6 for a latte probably multiple times per week obviously has way more money than they need so why wouldn't they gladly tip the person fixing the latte for them?
Anonymous
09/19/2023 13:47
Subject: Re:Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yep. I don’t tip on takeout. Tip creep is real. I’m also not tipping on a 6 dollar latte at Starbucks.
We tip generously at restaurants. We tip people throughout the resort on vacation who lug our bags and strollers in and out of the car and to the rooms. I tip the hairstylists.
Tipping at my kids preschools has also gotten out of control at holidays, teacher appreciation week and end of year- PLUS we have a dedicated line item for it on tuition and then are ancouraged to give more. Just charge me an all inclusive number and be done with it. I don’t have time for the mental gymantics and I’d rather just know upfront what I can and can’t afford.
Tipping is out of control but preschool workers make very little. If you can go to a hotel that has baggage people you can afford a gift for those who care for your kids at minimum wage.
I hate the “if you can afford X you can afford Y” argument! That is not how spending money works. But also, I think what the PP is saying is that she’s happy to pay more to the preschool worker but just bake that into the bill!
PP here- that’s exactly what I’m saying. You tell me what’s appropriate and charge me upfront for it with tuition. One of my children’s preschools does do that, but they’ve also recently started sending out emails that we can give more if we want. It’s just never ending. I appreciate my children’s teachers. But I don’t want to be in charge of paying or tipping them directly, which is what things have come to with expensive gift cards 3x a year for various things (multiplied by multiple kids.)
You choose multiple kids.
Wrong. Any multiplier of 0 is 0. PP is right. There shouldn't be additional expensive charges throughout the year.
You could always not use preschool and then there would be no cost. Not wanting to give a $25 gift card a few times a year to a day care worker while you take lavish vacations is stingy and bizarre.
Not pp, but no. It's all the little additional charges that are sneaked in. Just charge it up front so people can make an informed choice about how to spend their money.
Also people are under no obligation to give charity to food counter workers and teachers just because "they can afford it." I'm sure you could "afford" to give me $10K and I want it, but why should you?
Anonymous
09/19/2023 13:46
Subject: Re:Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yep. I don’t tip on takeout. Tip creep is real. I’m also not tipping on a 6 dollar latte at Starbucks.
We tip generously at restaurants. We tip people throughout the resort on vacation who lug our bags and strollers in and out of the car and to the rooms. I tip the hairstylists.
Tipping at my kids preschools has also gotten out of control at holidays, teacher appreciation week and end of year- PLUS we have a dedicated line item for it on tuition and then are ancouraged to give more. Just charge me an all inclusive number and be done with it. I don’t have time for the mental gymantics and I’d rather just know upfront what I can and can’t afford.
Tipping is out of control but preschool workers make very little. If you can go to a hotel that has baggage people you can afford a gift for those who care for your kids at minimum wage.
I hate the “if you can afford X you can afford Y” argument! That is not how spending money works. But also, I think what the PP is saying is that she’s happy to pay more to the preschool worker but just bake that into the bill!
PP here- that’s exactly what I’m saying. You tell me what’s appropriate and charge me upfront for it with tuition. One of my children’s preschools does do that, but they’ve also recently started sending out emails that we can give more if we want. It’s just never ending. I appreciate my children’s teachers. But I don’t want to be in charge of paying or tipping them directly, which is what things have come to with expensive gift cards 3x a year for various things (multiplied by multiple kids.)
You choose multiple kids.
Wrong. Any multiplier of 0 is 0. PP is right. There shouldn't be additional expensive charges throughout the year.
You could always not use preschool and then there would be no cost. Not wanting to give a $25 gift card a few times a year to a day care worker while you take lavish vacations is stingy and bizarre.
Reading comprehension is so important. PP is not begrudging a day care worker $25. She’d probably happily give the day care worker much more. What she doesn’t want is to feel like whatever amount she is paying in fees doesn’t fairly cover the day care worker’s salary and that she needs to top it up with random gifts. I’m sure the day care worker would also rather have a higher salary and less discretionary pay based on people giving random gift cards.
Anonymous
09/19/2023 13:44
Subject: Re:Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:Yes. It's one of many aspects of society that are just a *little* bit more annoying and expensive since Covid. But when you add them all up, everything is much worse. Death by a thousand cuts.
This. Don't give in or else it will become the new normal.
Anonymous
09/19/2023 13:43
Subject: Re:Tipping has become crazy since the pandemic
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yep. I don’t tip on takeout. Tip creep is real. I’m also not tipping on a 6 dollar latte at Starbucks.
We tip generously at restaurants. We tip people throughout the resort on vacation who lug our bags and strollers in and out of the car and to the rooms. I tip the hairstylists.
Tipping at my kids preschools has also gotten out of control at holidays, teacher appreciation week and end of year- PLUS we have a dedicated line item for it on tuition and then are ancouraged to give more. Just charge me an all inclusive number and be done with it. I don’t have time for the mental gymantics and I’d rather just know upfront what I can and can’t afford.
Tipping is out of control but preschool workers make very little. If you can go to a hotel that has baggage people you can afford a gift for those who care for your kids at minimum wage.
I hate the “if you can afford X you can afford Y” argument! That is not how spending money works. But also, I think what the PP is saying is that she’s happy to pay more to the preschool worker but just bake that into the bill!
PP here- that’s exactly what I’m saying. You tell me what’s appropriate and charge me upfront for it with tuition. One of my children’s preschools does do that, but they’ve also recently started sending out emails that we can give more if we want. It’s just never ending. I appreciate my children’s teachers. But I don’t want to be in charge of paying or tipping them directly, which is what things have come to with expensive gift cards 3x a year for various things (multiplied by multiple kids.)
You choose multiple kids.
Wrong. Any multiplier of 0 is 0. PP is right. There shouldn't be additional expensive charges throughout the year.
You could always not use preschool and then there would be no cost. Not wanting to give a $25 gift card a few times a year to a day care worker while you take lavish vacations is stingy and bizarre.