Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:52     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
He had 160 NNAT, 144Cogat, wasn’t admitted first round due to a rough relationship with the teacher…. Got in on appeal with the WISC score and appeal letter explaining the gifted behaviors and how he fits to a T (many quotes from Davidson Institute) and on how the county can better serve these kids…. Of course above grade work samples…. And these score are not hard to achieve even without prep.

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My child got 154 WISC without any prep. All family members score above 140 on official IQ tests. Never thought my kid is gifted till the scores came in, and till he started to complain about his second grade work and teacher…. He did great in class works and was able to do 4th/5th grade math. But he ended up spending 5-10 mins doing the entire class’ work, he asked for extra worksheets and was denied by the teacher, had nothing to do for the rest of the time. He took books to class then teacher complained about he was reading books in class, he got so frustrated with the teacher. Of course he started picking up teachers mistakes, that didn’t go well either…


DP. Are you the poster whose DC was admitted first round? Not sure what you're complaining about?
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:42     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Anonymous wrote:My child got 154 WISC without any prep. All family members score above 140 on official IQ tests. Never thought my kid is gifted till the scores came in, and till he started to complain about his second grade work and teacher…. He did great in class works and was able to do 4th/5th grade math. But he ended up spending 5-10 mins doing the entire class’ work, he asked for extra worksheets and was denied by the teacher, had nothing to do for the rest of the time. He took books to class then teacher complained about he was reading books in class, he got so frustrated with the teacher. Of course he started picking up teachers mistakes, that didn’t go well either…


DP. Are you the poster whose DC was admitted first round? Not sure what you're complaining about?
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:36     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
My child got 154 WISC without any prep. All family members score above 140 on official IQ tests. Never thought my kid is gifted till the scores came in, and till he started to complain about his second grade work and teacher…. He did great in class works and was able to do 4th/5th grade math. But he ended up spending 5-10 mins doing the entire class’ work, he asked for extra worksheets and was denied by the teacher, had nothing to do for the rest of the time. He took books to class then teacher complained about he was reading books in class, he got so frustrated with the teacher. Of course he started picking up teachers mistakes, that didn’t go well either…

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The gifted will standout with their scores (>140 NNAT and CoGAT, with a similar WISC, regardless of poor GBRS). The borderlined will need the parents to work hard to build a good relationship with the teacher for a nice GBRS.


Our teacher at a center school said this profile would not be admitted to AAP because it was clearly a prepped kid. Said you need both the test scores AND the class work/behavior to get in.


But let’s be clear that some teachers consider a very narrow sliver of behaviors to support a gifted score on GBRS. All of these stereotypes, plus the stereotype that a kid can’t score over 140 and not be prepped, are causing lots of gifted kids to be maligned. It is not good for society to not be supporting the best of the best.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:24     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Yes, exactly my thought, I would rather spend that time teach my kids algebra and watch discovery/history programs on ancient discoveries/space exploration with my kids…. Take your kids to volunteer in food banks will help shape their social responsibilities…

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Join the PTA!! At our school, all the AAP kids have PTA parents.


Yes this too. I'm the one that made the room mom comment earlier.


You are mixing up association with causation. This is sort of the case in our school but that’s because all the PTA parents and room parents are very actively involved in their kids lives and also have impressive academic backgrounds/interests. I think our PTA President has two terminal degrees (eg JD, MD, and PhD). So it’s probable that this person is passing on his/her genes (duh) and academic interests/exposures to the kid.


Umm. My husband and I are surgeons, we have way better uses for our time that better serve society than planning bake sales (i.e., gossiping with the other SAHMs).
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:22     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The gifted will standout with their scores (>140 NNAT and CoGAT, with a similar WISC, regardless of poor GBRS). The borderlined will need the parents to work hard to build a good relationship with the teacher for a nice GBRS.


Our teacher at a center school said this profile would not be admitted to AAP because it was clearly a prepped kid. Said you need both the test scores AND the class work/behavior to get in.


But let’s be clear that some teachers consider a very narrow sliver of behaviors to support a gifted score on GBRS. All of these stereotypes, plus the stereotype that a kid can’t score over 140 and not be prepped, are causing lots of gifted kids to be maligned. It is not good for society to not be supporting the best of the best.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:15     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Anonymous wrote:The gifted will standout with their scores (>140 NNAT and CoGAT, with a similar WISC, regardless of poor GBRS). The borderlined will need the parents to work hard to build a good relationship with the teacher for a nice GBRS.


Our teacher at a center school said this profile would not be admitted to AAP because it was clearly a prepped kid. Said you need both the test scores AND the class work/behavior to get in.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:12     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Join the PTA!! At our school, all the AAP kids have PTA parents.


Yes this too. I'm the one that made the room mom comment earlier.


You are mixing up association with causation. This is sort of the case in our school but that’s because all the PTA parents and room parents are very actively involved in their kids lives and also have impressive academic backgrounds/interests. I think our PTA President has two terminal degrees (eg JD, MD, and PhD). So it’s probable that this person is passing on his/her genes (duh) and academic interests/exposures to the kid.


Umm. My husband and I are surgeons, we have way better uses for our time that better serve society than planning bake sales (i.e., gossiping with the other SAHMs).
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:09     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
I’m only saying with above 140 scores GBRS is a much less factor, but less than that you will need to depend on GBRS and parents need to actively building that relationship with the teachers, especially the gifted kids are not usually known to follow authorities. I’m also an Asian parent, I have Asian friends’ kids scored in the 130s and WISC 144 not getting into AAP and they are not in the McLean pyramid.
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The gifted will standout with their scores (>140 NNAT and CoGAT, with a similar WISC, regardless of poor GBRS). The borderlined will need the parents to work hard to build a good relationship with the teacher for a nice GBRS.


My kid had 132 NNAT and 136 Cogat with 145 WISC. So you can say that gifted kids will score above 140 on NNAT and Cogat without prepping but that's unrealistically high. There's a reason that 132 used to be the cutoff (132 without prepping is "actually gifted").
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:09     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Join the PTA!! At our school, all the AAP kids have PTA parents.


Yes this too. I'm the one that made the room mom comment earlier.


You are mixing up association with causation. This is sort of the case in our school but that’s because all the PTA parents and room parents are very actively involved in their kids lives and also have impressive academic backgrounds/interests. I think our PTA President has two terminal degrees (eg JD, MD, and PhD). So it’s probable that this person is passing on his/her genes (duh) and academic interests/exposures to the kid.


This, seems probably there's a very high correlation between "PTA parents" and "parents who had the time/resources to go out of their way to read to their kids each night as toddlers, ensure they were learning to count at an early age, and so on"... not to mention that parents in such circumstances are likely are also correlated somewhat to those with genetic factors that are favorable towards intelligence. There is likewise a high correlation between children of such parents (due to early opportunities, genetics, ongoing involvement in their education) and how that kid is going to present as a candidate for AAP based on classroom behavior and test scores.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:08     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Anonymous wrote:This is so sad. I wish all kids were allowed to enroll and try out AAP. If they aren't succeeding, they will be bumped back into their regular classes.

I was at an IB high school and that's what happened with kids who couldn't take the IB coursework. I'm forever grateful I was allowed into IB even though I wasn't "gifted" per my IQ. I easily could do the coursework and graduated in the top of my class, but I know if it had been limited to IQ, I wouldn't have been allowed in.


In high school, AP and IB classes used to be limited by grades (you had to pass the pre-req with X grade) but now at many schools, class enrollments are open. This isn't good for those kids or for the classes, since they aren't bumped back to the lower classes or given failing grades but instead the class level is lowered and the teacher is supposed to work overtime to help those students.

In grade school, AAP is not "advanced" except for math. It's just extensions of the regular curriculum. It may be interesting for gifted kids but isn't best for all students. Everyone does not need the chance to try it. It's not for everyone.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 11:03     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Anonymous wrote:This is so sad. I wish all kids were allowed to enroll and try out AAP. If they aren't succeeding, they will be bumped back into their regular classes.

I was at an IB high school and that's what happened with kids who couldn't take the IB coursework. I'm forever grateful I was allowed into IB even though I wasn't "gifted" per my IQ. I easily could do the coursework and graduated in the top of my class, but I know if it had been limited to IQ, I wouldn't have been allowed in.


It's a nice thought, but in practice the bolded part hardly ever happens.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 10:56     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Anonymous wrote:The gifted will standout with their scores (>140 NNAT and CoGAT, with a similar WISC, regardless of poor GBRS). The borderlined will need the parents to work hard to build a good relationship with the teacher for a nice GBRS.


My kid had 132 NNAT and 136 Cogat with 145 WISC. So you can say that gifted kids will score above 140 on NNAT and Cogat without prepping but that's unrealistically high. There's a reason that 132 used to be the cutoff (132 without prepping is "actually gifted").
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 10:53     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
The gifted will standout with their scores (>140 NNAT and CoGAT, with a similar WISC, regardless of poor GBRS). The borderlined will need the parents to work hard to build a good relationship with the teacher for a nice GBRS.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 10:21     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Join the PTA!! At our school, all the AAP kids have PTA parents.


Yes this too. I'm the one that made the room mom comment earlier.


You are mixing up association with causation. This is sort of the case in our school but that’s because all the PTA parents and room parents are very actively involved in their kids lives and also have impressive academic backgrounds/interests. I think our PTA President has two terminal degrees (eg JD, MD, and PhD). So it’s probable that this person is passing on his/her genes (duh) and academic interests/exposures to the kid.
Anonymous
Post 09/18/2023 09:42     Subject: What to do NOW to get into and do well in AAP?
This is so sad. I wish all kids were allowed to enroll and try out AAP. If they aren't succeeding, they will be bumped back into their regular classes.

I was at an IB high school and that's what happened with kids who couldn't take the IB coursework. I'm forever grateful I was allowed into IB even though I wasn't "gifted" per my IQ. I easily could do the coursework and graduated in the top of my class, but I know if it had been limited to IQ, I wouldn't have been allowed in.