Anonymous
09/13/2023 17:30
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://gocrimson.com/sports/womens-lacrosse/roster
Wow, looks like a real cross section of America.
Lots of diversity, some are blonde and some are brunette.
It can't be helped that lax skews white just like basketball and football skew black.
There is a big difference though in the raw numbers. You take any Div 1 school (including Ivy) and the basketball team is maybe 75% black (less at Princeton and Duke) and the Football team is 60-70% black. Outside of these two sports, you will not see any significant number of blacks on any other teams at any given university. Harvard has like 40 varsity teams!! The vast majority of the roster of these teams are white (70%+). My issue is the fact that most of these other sports don't afford an opportunity for blacks and Latinos (Asians to a lesser extent) to participate because of lack of access or opportunity. There are no swimming teams or water polo teams in black and brown public schools, etc. Let's acknowledge how this disadvantages these students because there is absolutely no possibility of them taking advantage of the biggest admission boost to these schools when it comes to slots.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:59
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
One of many reasons schools love test optional. They can squeeze in their sports recruits with less questions asked.
These kids are not lying, they have verbal commitment that they will be admitted. There is some vetting going on but it's the golden ticket that no one else gets except maybe some top donor kids. So, yes better off to be a top lacrosse player than a top student.
These kids are not lying, they have verbal commitment that they will be admitted. There is some vetting going on but it's the golden ticket that no one else gets except maybe some top donor kids. So, yes better off to be a top lacrosse player than a top student.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:54
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:Commit doesn't mean admit
95% of the time it does.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:52
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know of several high school athletes that committed to Ivy League schools just last week. They’re not two weeks into junior year! I understand recruiting and all the advantages that come with it, but I’m struck at how early it’s happened. No junior year grades yet, no essays, they probably didn’t even have to take the SATs.
I student might say "I am committed", but Ivy offers their spaces through the likely letter process in the fall of Senior Year. Those kids are lying.
It’s not lying…most say verbal commitment. The commitment at any school is verbal until senior year. Contingent on grades and test scores, if applicable. Coaches are fairly good at weeding out athletes that won’t make it through the admissions process.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:46
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Commit doesn't mean admit
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:37
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
I also remember I had a preliminary need-based financial aid letter too. They try to get ahead on things since the schools have to be competitive and want to lock in top targets.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:35
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
The schools do encourage their top choices to commit early junior year but they are clear that the kids are not assured admission at this point. Sadly, you'll see kids have to reopen their recruitment late junior year or over their senior summer. This even happens with Stanford football where they have a lot of flexibility with the AO.
The other frustrating thing is that the schools will walk back their offers too.
The other frustrating thing is that the schools will walk back their offers too.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:34
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://gocrimson.com/sports/womens-lacrosse/roster
Wow, looks like a real cross section of America.
Lots of diversity, some are blonde and some are brunette.
It can't be helped that lax skews white just like basketball and football skew black.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:27
Subject: Re:HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My son's athletic recruiting was way more stressful than my son that just filled out applications and was either accepted or not.
My son had multiple schools tell him his SAT required score since he had a 3.7 UW GPA. One was very high, he knew he would not get the score and that coach was actually very impressed that my son was honest with him and did not waste his time.
My son had coaches call, call, call then ghost. It was really quite insane and unprofessional. It would not have been a big deal to just say, nope we went with someone else. But instead, my son was honoring his word with that coach and not talking to some others. But once it was clear the coaches were not going to return his call, he moved on. But, it would have been nice to get a call/text/email... but nothing... just a ghost.
He had to have at least 15 phone interviews, many went well with kind of sort of maybe offers that did or did not pan out. He had a few calls where coaches are all in but then 3 weeks later ghosted him.
This was how they treated a 15/16 year old. It's was quite insane to me.
My other son, visit, GPA, tests, Naviance, essays, applications, then just wait. Could you imagine getting a letter, hey your in we love you... psyche, we chose someone else, or better yet, get a call you are accepted then they ghost you. It would never happen, but it happens with athletes.
I’m sorry to hear that, student athletes are not protected enough
They have changed the rules since then, so kids only deal with this for 1 year, Aug 1 Junior year-Application deadline of senior year. Coaches can't contact F/S anymore, so that's a move in the right direction.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:18
Subject: Re:HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:My son's athletic recruiting was way more stressful than my son that just filled out applications and was either accepted or not.
My son had multiple schools tell him his SAT required score since he had a 3.7 UW GPA. One was very high, he knew he would not get the score and that coach was actually very impressed that my son was honest with him and did not waste his time.
My son had coaches call, call, call then ghost. It was really quite insane and unprofessional. It would not have been a big deal to just say, nope we went with someone else. But instead, my son was honoring his word with that coach and not talking to some others. But once it was clear the coaches were not going to return his call, he moved on. But, it would have been nice to get a call/text/email... but nothing... just a ghost.
He had to have at least 15 phone interviews, many went well with kind of sort of maybe offers that did or did not pan out. He had a few calls where coaches are all in but then 3 weeks later ghosted him.
This was how they treated a 15/16 year old. It's was quite insane to me.
My other son, visit, GPA, tests, Naviance, essays, applications, then just wait. Could you imagine getting a letter, hey your in we love you... psyche, we chose someone else, or better yet, get a call you are accepted then they ghost you. It would never happen, but it happens with athletes.
I’m sorry to hear that, student athletes are not protected enough
Anonymous
09/13/2023 16:05
Subject: Re:HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
My son's athletic recruiting was way more stressful than my son that just filled out applications and was either accepted or not.
My son had multiple schools tell him his SAT required score since he had a 3.7 UW GPA. One was very high, he knew he would not get the score and that coach was actually very impressed that my son was honest with him and did not waste his time.
My son had coaches call, call, call then ghost. It was really quite insane and unprofessional. It would not have been a big deal to just say, nope we went with someone else. But instead, my son was honoring his word with that coach and not talking to some others. But once it was clear the coaches were not going to return his call, he moved on. But, it would have been nice to get a call/text/email... but nothing... just a ghost.
He had to have at least 15 phone interviews, many went well with kind of sort of maybe offers that did or did not pan out. He had a few calls where coaches are all in but then 3 weeks later ghosted him.
This was how they treated a 15/16 year old. It's was quite insane to me.
My other son, visit, GPA, tests, Naviance, essays, applications, then just wait. Could you imagine getting a letter, hey your in we love you... psyche, we chose someone else, or better yet, get a call you are accepted then they ghost you. It would never happen, but it happens with athletes.
My son had multiple schools tell him his SAT required score since he had a 3.7 UW GPA. One was very high, he knew he would not get the score and that coach was actually very impressed that my son was honest with him and did not waste his time.
My son had coaches call, call, call then ghost. It was really quite insane and unprofessional. It would not have been a big deal to just say, nope we went with someone else. But instead, my son was honoring his word with that coach and not talking to some others. But once it was clear the coaches were not going to return his call, he moved on. But, it would have been nice to get a call/text/email... but nothing... just a ghost.
He had to have at least 15 phone interviews, many went well with kind of sort of maybe offers that did or did not pan out. He had a few calls where coaches are all in but then 3 weeks later ghosted him.
This was how they treated a 15/16 year old. It's was quite insane to me.
My other son, visit, GPA, tests, Naviance, essays, applications, then just wait. Could you imagine getting a letter, hey your in we love you... psyche, we chose someone else, or better yet, get a call you are accepted then they ghost you. It would never happen, but it happens with athletes.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 15:40
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I know of several high school athletes that committed to Ivy League schools just last week. They’re not two weeks into junior year! I understand recruiting and all the advantages that come with it, but I’m struck at how early it’s happened. No junior year grades yet, no essays, they probably didn’t even have to take the SATs.
The offers are conditional on meeting academic standards. No junior is receiving a firm offer of admission
This. Both of my nieces received offers in 10th grade, both were required to apply and be within a given score and grade ranges or the verbal committement would be withdrawn.
Anonymous
09/13/2023 15:29
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:https://gocrimson.com/sports/womens-lacrosse/roster
Wow, looks like a real cross section of America.
Lots of diversity, some are blonde and some are brunette.
How many high schools in America even offer sports like Lacrosse, Rowing, Fencing, Squash??? As a result, so many kids who go to schools that don't even field teams in these sports have absolutely no chance of getting one of these coveted slots. Jeffrey Selingo's book, Who Get in and Why discusses this and how unfair the system is.
LOTS of high schools offer lacrosse
Anonymous
09/13/2023 15:28
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:https://gocrimson.com/sports/womens-lacrosse/roster
Wow, looks like a real cross section of America.
As someone from the west coast, I am shocked how athletes are still mostly white kids from suburban NY, NJ, MA, PA, MD. These kids, whether from their local public or private, are basically from feeder schools. I keep seeing the same schools over and over as I look at various college lacrosse rosters ( I know nothing about lacrosse but it piqued my interest)
Anonymous
09/13/2023 15:12
Subject: HS junior athletes, already committed to top schools
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have two athletes both at Ivies. The first one scored 1250 on the SAT and he is now at an Ivy (think of Harvard, Yale, Columbia) and the second one scored 1270 on the SAT and he is now at another Ivy (think of Princeton, Brown). Both had 3.3 GPA in high school. They were both recruited for University of North Carolina but decided to attend Ivies. Don't believe in the index B.S. If the coach wants a 5 stars or blue chip recruit, he or she will get accepted.
This is terrible.
It’s fake. Are you always so credulous?