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Anonymous wrote:Foreign born woman here. American women are miles ahead in most aspects.

Only thing i can think of is being more feminine and focusing more on their appearance.

Foreign-born here as well. In what way? I don't think of myself as ahead or better than American women but I don't see how American women are "miles ahead" either.

On average: better educated, more independent (moving for college and jobs), more open minded including about who they date and marry, more financially independent etc.

Those are all attributes women rate highly in other women but are secondary for men whereas what pp says that foreign women do better is priority #1 for most men

Not true, those are attributes most males under 35 look for in a partner, especially the highly educated and well to do.

Those attributes are in addition to being cute

Lot's of triggered and bitter American women posting on this thread. No wonder guys are looking for "mail order brides" lol

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Anonymous wrote:Foreign born woman here. American women are miles ahead in most aspects.

Only thing i can think of is being more feminine and focusing more on their appearance.

Foreign-born here as well. In what way? I don't think of myself as ahead or better than American women but I don't see how American women are "miles ahead" either.

On average: better educated, more independent (moving for college and jobs), more open minded including about who they date and marry, more financially independent etc.

The average American woman didn't attend college.

This thread is so funny. I'm just waiting for the person who asks if it's low class or high class to marry a European - then this'll devolve into what KIND of European, because it's different if the person is French v if they come fro Bratislava, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

The men looking for foreign women are not the men you want. They want dolls to look at and clean for them. Men look for foreign women, because American women don’t have to be pretty to be happy and successful in life. That makes men crazy. Women no longer live for men’s approval - they can live a great life on their own terms.

Many of those women (trying to get out of bad life circumstances) are extremely pragmatic and transactional, they have to be. These men are not getting the pretty and domestic wife they envision, not for long anyways.

Some observations:

First, for both genders, the foreign-born people you meet in cosmopolitan and urban social circles are HIGHLY accomplished. It is HARD to come to the US. They either have money or highly advanced skills in something.
That’s for people who came here as adults. For those who came as children, or of immigrant families, they have likely faced more adversities than Americans of similar social standing. This doesn’t just make for an interesting life story, it makes for a resilience and strength that typical Americans, especially white Americans, don’t have.

Another stereotype that is true, foreigners come to America to major in STEM (engineering or medicine) or business. They are not pursuing humanities degrees, taking out student loans, and having existential crises about it.

Attributes of foreign women have already been discussed. More secure in their femininity seems to encompass it. They also aren’t constantly trying on identities and be something else. And perhaps the hardest to hear for American women is that foreign women eat less. Yes, some American women can be more into fitness and in better shape, but this doesn’t always appeal to men(sometimes it does). As said above, the slender European woman is attractive because that look is rare here. And you don’t get there by living in a gym - a lot of it is genetics (Scandinavian and Eastern European women have longer legs and leaner figures than Brits or Anglo-Americans) you get it by eating less. They don’t eat heavy meals constantly. They do eat sweets on occasion but not every day. They will eat one substantive meal a day and the rest is tea/coffee and a salad.

Generally, foreign women are less likely to be offended or outraged by political incorrectness or bluntness.

They are also less obsessed with politics. They usually think Trump is dumb but don’t really talk about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Foreign born woman here. American women are miles ahead in most aspects.

Only thing i can think of is being more feminine and focusing more on their appearance.

Foreign-born here as well. In what way? I don't think of myself as ahead or better than American women but I don't see how American women are "miles ahead" either.

On average: better educated, more independent (moving for college and jobs), more open minded including about who they date and marry, more financially independent etc.

Those are all attributes women rate highly in other women but are secondary for men whereas what pp says that foreign women do better is priority #1 for most men

Not true, those are attributes most males under 35 look for in a partner, especially the highly educated and well to do.

Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

The men looking for foreign women are not the men you want. They want dolls to look at and clean for them. Men look for foreign women, because American women don’t have to be pretty to be happy and successful in life. That makes men crazy. Women no longer live for men’s approval - they can live a great life on their own terms.

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Anonymous wrote:Go get a foreign dude.

There is a trend of American women going to France to look for partners but usually American woman - euro man doesn’t work because American women who are “international-coded” are usually women who have certain attributes and backgrounds that the typical euro man struggles to match up to (namely economic/salary requirements)

But yeah for sex tourism/hookups - Italy and Spain and France are to women what Colombia and Thailand are for men

Yes, American women in such high demand in those countries

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Anonymous wrote:Since there are quite a few men, on here and in the wild, who seem to look abroad for romantic relationships and consider foreign or foreign-born women higher value. Since I can’t change my nation of birth, what lessons can I learn from foreign women (any nationality) that make them more appealing?

To address the stereotypes: I’m not fat or even close to it, I’m not bossy, I don’t *think* I act entitled although I can’t really judge that myself, I don’t rant about the “patriarchy,” I don’t have tattoos or blue hair, and I don’t think gender norms are inherently bad.

Quality men don't think foreign women are "higher value." Yuck, what are we in a stockyard valuing the bulls and cows?!

Watch a couple episodes of 90 Day Fiancee and all your questions will be answered.

Low information DCUM types think that a TV show is reality!

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Anonymous wrote:Foreign born woman here. American women are miles ahead in most aspects.

Only thing i can think of is being more feminine and focusing more on their appearance.

Foreign-born here as well. In what way? I don't think of myself as ahead or better than American women but I don't see how American women are "miles ahead" either.

On average: better educated, more independent (moving for college and jobs), more open minded including about who they date and marry, more financially independent etc.

Those are all attributes women rate highly in other women but are secondary for men whereas what pp says that foreign women do better is priority #1 for most men

Anonymous wrote:Most European women are more assertive and also take more walks.

A male friend of mind though he was marrying a "submissive" Eastern European lady. She got her duel citizenship and then went right back to Europe where she has healthcare and benefits and their kids will have a low cost college education. She's fine with him coming to visit when he wants.

That's not assertive, that's a hostage situation.

Anonymous wrote:Go get a foreign dude.

There is a trend of American women going to France to look for partners but usually American woman - euro man doesn’t work because American women who are “international-coded” are usually women who have certain attributes and backgrounds that the typical euro man struggles to match up to (namely economic/salary requirements)

But yeah for sex tourism/hookups - Italy and Spain and France are to women what Colombia and Thailand are for men

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Anonymous wrote:Foreign born woman here. American women are miles ahead in most aspects.

Only thing i can think of is being more feminine and focusing more on their appearance.

Foreign-born here as well. In what way? I don't think of myself as ahead or better than American women but I don't see how American women are "miles ahead" either.

On average: better educated, more independent (moving for college and jobs), more open minded including about who they date and marry, more financially independent etc.

Anonymous wrote:Resilience to stress, relationship stable, very level headed and high achieving (in looks, financially and household duties). But it's subdued, not in your face. I'm also thin in my 40s and retained my attractiveness. These are the skills American men told me they notice vs US born women. Eastern European F here.

Finding it very hard to believe multiple American men have said so many highly female-coded compliments about a woman’s skills (lol). If true, they might have just been trying to get laid you know.

Anonymous wrote:Too many American women have weird religious hang ups about sex. European women not so much.

It depends where in Europe

American women are way easier than Portuguese women for example

Austrian, Swiss and Bavarian women are also not easy lays vs American women