Anonymous
09/08/2023 13:52
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much value does being Hispanic (without evidence of the attendant hardships of being a recent immigrant) still have? Do admissions officers still just want to check the box, so a rich kid who claims to have some Spanish speaking background is fine, or are they looking for authentically disadvantaged Spanish speaking types?
None.
I've been Latina my whole life and it has never conferred any advantages or disadvantages. I continue to check the box for statistical purposes. There are millions upon millions of latino/hispanic folks who are not "authentically disadvantaged."
I’m sure it helped when you applied for colleges.
I'm the PP you are responding to and it did not help when I was applying for colleges. I was a strong candidate for all the places I applied and got in to some and not to others. Where I went in the '90s didn't talk about diversity or think about minorities at all other than maybe black students. Actually, I didn't think about it either.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 13:04
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Common App collects. But when schools draw the data they can choose what parts they want to receive. With the SC decision I think most schools just won't ask for / pay for that data anymore. No use for it.
Colleges need the data for required federal reporting to Dept of Ed. This is typically done by an office of institutional research within the college and occurs long after the end of the admission season.
While colleges will continue to receive the data from Common App for that purpose, several replies in this thread appear unaware that college admissions offices will have this info filtered out of their view (as is the case with various other data fields in the Common App). The checkboxes are not to be considered in admission decisions per the recent affirmative action Court opinion.
The posters in this thread are so dumb that I don’t think they even understand how the Common App works.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 12:46
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Common App collects. But when schools draw the data they can choose what parts they want to receive. With the SC decision I think most schools just won't ask for / pay for that data anymore. No use for it.
Colleges need the data for required federal reporting to Dept of Ed. This is typically done by an office of institutional research within the college and occurs long after the end of the admission season.
While colleges will continue to receive the data from Common App for that purpose, several replies in this thread appear unaware that college admissions offices will have this info filtered out of their view (as is the case with various other data fields in the Common App). The checkboxes are not to be considered in admission decisions per the recent affirmative action Court opinion.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 12:41
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, its fine.
Hispanic refers to someone whose ancestry is Spanish speaking.
Spanish is a language or citizenship
Latino is an ethnicity that refers to a person whose origins are in Latin America.
You're the fist one - Hispanic.
So Brazilians aren't hispanic then?
No, they aren’t. But they are Latino.
Silly, isn't it?
I know a dark skinned Brazilian in the US who comes from a poorer background but who now has a college degree. But, according to the strict definition, they can't pick Hispanic.
But a blonde/blue eyed Spaniard can pick Hispanic.
From a college admissions standpoint, this is stupid.
I despise how idiotic DCUM is on this topic.
On the common app, the Brazilian would select Latino (Brazil) as ethnicity and race as they choose. The Spaniard would select Hispanic (Spain) as ethnicity and white as race. It is not hard.
Do you people honestly believe admissions officers are as dumb as you seem to think they are?
yes, do you honestly think AOs are the best and brightest?
I think the issue isn't their intelligence, it is whether or not they care. All these schools want to improve diversity. Even the WSJ ranking system randomly includes diversity when the entire thing is otherwise based on salaries. So they are happy to look the other way if a blue eyed Spaniard checks the Hispanic box.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 12:27
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, its fine.
Hispanic refers to someone whose ancestry is Spanish speaking.
Spanish is a language or citizenship
Latino is an ethnicity that refers to a person whose origins are in Latin America.
You're the fist one - Hispanic.
So Brazilians aren't hispanic then?
No, they aren’t. But they are Latino.
Silly, isn't it?
I know a dark skinned Brazilian in the US who comes from a poorer background but who now has a college degree. But, according to the strict definition, they can't pick Hispanic.
But a blonde/blue eyed Spaniard can pick Hispanic.
From a college admissions standpoint, this is stupid.
I despise how idiotic DCUM is on this topic.
On the common app, the Brazilian would select Latino (Brazil) as ethnicity and race as they choose. The Spaniard would select Hispanic (Spain) as ethnicity and white as race. It is not hard.
Do you people honestly believe admissions officers are as dumb as you seem to think they are?
I despise the fact that colleges are forcing the issue.
A blonde blue eyed Spaniard in no way would face more discrimination in the US, including in the work place, compared to a dark skinned Asian Indian.
College admission should not be a consolation prize for having "faced discrimination". That shouldn't even enter into the admissions process. Can you do the work? Yes, ok you're in. No, sorry, too bad.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 12:25
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:I understand what you mean, OP, but then consider that all my friends from Central or South America are wealthy white Caucasian landowners from the upper echelons of their society. Do you think they're part of the oppressors or the oppressed? You bet they check the Hispanic box, and without lying at all.
If you're from Spain, it's just as ethically dubious as what they're doing.
They are not asking you if you're a member of the oppressor class (and after all, who would say yes to that?) they are asking you your racial and ethnic origin.
Nothing "ethically dubious" about answering the question correctly.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 12:23
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, its fine.
Hispanic refers to someone whose ancestry is Spanish speaking.
Spanish is a language or citizenship
Latino is an ethnicity that refers to a person whose origins are in Latin America.
You're the fist one - Hispanic.
So Brazilians aren't hispanic then?
No, they aren’t. But they are Latino.
Silly, isn't it?
I know a dark skinned Brazilian in the US who comes from a poorer background but who now has a college degree. But, according to the strict definition, they can't pick Hispanic.
But a blonde/blue eyed Spaniard can pick Hispanic.
From a college admissions standpoint, this is stupid.
I despise how idiotic DCUM is on this topic.
On the common app, the Brazilian would select Latino (Brazil) as ethnicity and race as they choose. The Spaniard would select Hispanic (Spain) as ethnicity and white as race. It is not hard.
Do you people honestly believe admissions officers are as dumb as you seem to think they are?
yes, do you honestly think AOs are the best and brightest?
Perhaps not the best and brightest, but I think the dumbest AO is smarter than 90% of the people posting on DCUM.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 12:02
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, its fine.
Hispanic refers to someone whose ancestry is Spanish speaking.
Spanish is a language or citizenship
Latino is an ethnicity that refers to a person whose origins are in Latin America.
You're the fist one - Hispanic.
So Brazilians aren't hispanic then?
No, they aren’t. But they are Latino.
Silly, isn't it?
I know a dark skinned Brazilian in the US who comes from a poorer background but who now has a college degree. But, according to the strict definition, they can't pick Hispanic.
But a blonde/blue eyed Spaniard can pick Hispanic.
From a college admissions standpoint, this is stupid.
I despise how idiotic DCUM is on this topic.
On the common app, the Brazilian would select Latino (Brazil) as ethnicity and race as they choose. The Spaniard would select Hispanic (Spain) as ethnicity and white as race. It is not hard.
Do you people honestly believe admissions officers are as dumb as you seem to think they are?
I despise the fact that colleges are forcing the issue.
A blonde blue eyed Spaniard in no way would face more discrimination in the US, including in the work place, compared to a dark skinned Asian Indian.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 11:59
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, its fine.
Hispanic refers to someone whose ancestry is Spanish speaking.
Spanish is a language or citizenship
Latino is an ethnicity that refers to a person whose origins are in Latin America.
You're the fist one - Hispanic.
So Brazilians aren't hispanic then?
No, they aren’t. But they are Latino.
Silly, isn't it?
I know a dark skinned Brazilian in the US who comes from a poorer background but who now has a college degree. But, according to the strict definition, they can't pick Hispanic.
But a blonde/blue eyed Spaniard can pick Hispanic.
From a college admissions standpoint, this is stupid.
I despise how idiotic DCUM is on this topic.
On the common app, the Brazilian would select Latino (Brazil) as ethnicity and race as they choose. The Spaniard would select Hispanic (Spain) as ethnicity and white as race. It is not hard.
Do you people honestly believe admissions officers are as dumb as you seem to think they are?
yes, do you honestly think AOs are the best and brightest?
Anonymous
09/08/2023 11:38
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How much value does being Hispanic (without evidence of the attendant hardships of being a recent immigrant) still have? Do admissions officers still just want to check the box, so a rich kid who claims to have some Spanish speaking background is fine, or are they looking for authentically disadvantaged Spanish speaking types?
None.
I've been Latina my whole life and it has never conferred any advantages or disadvantages. I continue to check the box for statistical purposes. There are millions upon millions of latino/hispanic folks who are not "authentically disadvantaged."
I’m sure it helped when you applied for colleges.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 11:37
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Yes, its fine.
Hispanic refers to someone whose ancestry is Spanish speaking.
Spanish is a language or citizenship
Latino is an ethnicity that refers to a person whose origins are in Latin America.
You're the fist one - Hispanic.
So Brazilians aren't hispanic then?
No, they aren’t. But they are Latino.
Silly, isn't it?
I know a dark skinned Brazilian in the US who comes from a poorer background but who now has a college degree. But, according to the strict definition, they can't pick Hispanic.
But a blonde/blue eyed Spaniard can pick Hispanic.
From a college admissions standpoint, this is stupid.
I despise how idiotic DCUM is on this topic.
On the common app, the Brazilian would select Latino (Brazil) as ethnicity and race as they choose. The Spaniard would select Hispanic (Spain) as ethnicity and white as race. It is not hard.
Do you people honestly believe admissions officers are as dumb as you seem to think they are?
Anonymous
09/08/2023 11:33
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Common App collects. But when schools draw the data they can choose what parts they want to receive. With the SC decision I think most schools just won't ask for / pay for that data anymore. No use for it.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 11:33
Subject: Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:How much value does being Hispanic (without evidence of the attendant hardships of being a recent immigrant) still have? Do admissions officers still just want to check the box, so a rich kid who claims to have some Spanish speaking background is fine, or are they looking for authentically disadvantaged Spanish speaking types?
None, which is why a “Hispanic (Spain)” selection in the common app doesn’t do anything in admissions.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 11:31
Subject: Re:Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Spain?!?!! Seriously??? Wtf? They are white/European.
How are they more of an ethnic group than Italians for godsakes???
I cannot believe UVS told a European Spanish person that they are Hispanic. Unreal
I think you are a little out of touch here. Duke University School of Medicine wrote a fairly thoughtful article about this:
https://medschool.duke.edu/blog/ask-oedi-hispanic-latino-latina-latinx-which-best
Note that OPs child will have to specify in the common app where her Hispanic heritage comes from, and will have to identify Spain. That is (and was) done in the common app to differentiate between applicants with Hispanic identity from Spain versus other heritages.
Have to?
Yes, if she selects Hispanic on the common app, she had to specify what part of the world that heritage comes from. It’s the next part of the selection box for Hispanic.
Anonymous
09/08/2023 11:29
Subject: Re:Thoughts on putting down Hispanic when from Spain?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Spain?!?!! Seriously??? Wtf? They are white/European.
How are they more of an ethnic group than Italians for godsakes???
I cannot believe UVS told a European Spanish person that they are Hispanic. Unreal
I think you are a little out of touch here. Duke University School of Medicine wrote a fairly thoughtful article about this:
https://medschool.duke.edu/blog/ask-oedi-hispanic-latino-latina-latinx-which-best
Note that OPs child will have to specify in the common app where her Hispanic heritage comes from, and will have to identify Spain. That is (and was) done in the common app to differentiate between applicants with Hispanic identity from Spain versus other heritages.
Have to?