https://www.wtvr.com/news/local-news/virginia-delays-releasing-school-sol-pass-rates-august-31-2023

Richmond Public Schools “accidentally” published the preliminary state wide results. Basically stagnant results from last year. The state is claiming that the delays are due to the school districts appealing their results and doing retakes.

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on FCPS!

FCPS used to release all this data on their school profiles. The state VA Dept of Education no longer allows that--they want to control all the data releases. Blame them not FCPS.

They never released individual scores. The other thing is if kids fail but make progress from previous year it counts as a pass.

They released all the percentages of Pass Proficient, Pass Advanced, and not Passing. CLose enough.

Yes, but these tests are unfair to ESL kids. So the data is skewed.

Some kids are exempt from taking them.

Very few kids are exempt - a tiny fraction of a percent.

What does this matter?

Why does it matter? Because a PP was saying many ESL kids are exempt. Implying that schools with high ESL populations have a shot at a good score because so many kids are exempt. They are not exempt. It matters because kids who have been in the US less than a year are expected to take and pass these tests. It matters because kids who have been in this country 2 or 3 years are expected to take and pass these tests.

And when they don’t pass and a school with a lot of ESL students gets a low score everyone likes to say how bad the school is. Or how great their own school is when really it’s just a school of fortunate white, born in the USA upper income parents who succeeded in having a white born in the USA kid who goes to a school filled with other upper middle income white kids.

SOL scores mean NOTHING unless looked at in context.

This! Only Level 1 ESL kids are exempt from reading for 1 year. They have to take math and the following year have to take reading. We have several Level 1 kids who have to take reading this year cause they used their exemption in spring. ESL kids should not have to take SOLs until they are English proficient or score high enough on reading domain of WIDA.

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Anonymous wrote:Shame on FCPS!

FCPS used to release all this data on their school profiles. The state VA Dept of Education no longer allows that--they want to control all the data releases. Blame them not FCPS.

They never released individual scores. The other thing is if kids fail but make progress from previous year it counts as a pass.

They released all the percentages of Pass Proficient, Pass Advanced, and not Passing. CLose enough.

Yes, but these tests are unfair to ESL kids. So the data is skewed.

Some kids are exempt from taking them.

Very few kids are exempt - a tiny fraction of a percent.

What does this matter?

Why does it matter? Because a PP was saying many ESL kids are exempt. Implying that schools with high ESL populations have a shot at a good score because so many kids are exempt. They are not exempt. It matters because kids who have been in the US less than a year are expected to take and pass these tests. It matters because kids who have been in this country 2 or 3 years are expected to take and pass these tests.

And when they don’t pass and a school with a lot of ESL students gets a low score everyone likes to say how bad the school is. Or how great their own school is when really it’s just a school of fortunate white, born in the USA upper income parents who succeeded in having a white born in the USA kid who goes to a school filled with other upper middle income white kids.

SOL scores mean NOTHING unless looked at in context.

Anonymous wrote:Okay check out this twitter thread. RPS replay is the spin off of @RVADirt

It’s a dive into the VDOE meeting that was EIGHT HOURS long on Friday

https://x.com/rps_replay/status/1698134247867892133?s=46&t=IEJfhyr88PsR82nDngKcFQ

Okay check out this twitter thread. RPS replay is the spin off of @RVADirt

It’s a dive into the VDOE meeting that was EIGHT HOURS long on Friday

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Anonymous wrote:ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!!
WHEN WILL THE STATE RELEASE THS SCHOOL SOL SCORES?

I know for Science classes a 50% WAS PASSING, SO THEY MIGHT BE HIGH, BUT WHEN ARE THEY GOING TO RELEASE THE SOL SCORES?
AFTER THE NOVEMBER ELECTION?
WE WANT THEM NOW, I TALKED TO THE SCHOOL PRINCIPAL TODAY AND SHE TOLD ME SHE CAN'T TELL ME WHAT OTHER KIDS GOT IN THEIR SOL TEST..... THEY CAN'T EVEN TELL ME THE SCHOOL AVERAGE.

FCPS used to release all this data on their school profiles, but the current Virginia Department of Education wants to control all release of data so now they just put a link to the VA DOE. But the current VA DoE can't even process teacher licenses in a timely way and have released so much faulty and mislabeled data that they are not likely to release more. I wish they would let it go back to more local control.

That's because VDOE at the moment is run by political appointees who were chosen for their conservative viewpoints and loyalty to the Governor's narrative, and not for actual competency, which most of them lack (as well as actual experience and understanding of education).

Anonymous wrote:Almost like the school board doesn’t want us to think before we vote. Awful.

This isn't the school board, moron. It's the state.

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Anonymous wrote:It is infuriating OP. I cannot for the life of me understand why this is so hard for them. I can't help but think the results dismal and they want time to pass so people forget about it.

These scores absolutely matter. They are an indicator of the competency of the school administration, a measure of the academic level the students are at, and indicator of teacher strength. These are all important factors if one is moving to FCPS to see which are school is the best for their kid.

These scores do not matter. There are kids who don’t speak English being forced to take these tests. It only matters how your kid does.

Except that the state sets teachers up by giving teachers little indication of what will be on the test. The sample test questions teachers are given to help kids prepare are from 2015.

+100. Absolutely bizarre. And this has been the case independent of whether Dems or Reps are in power.
It actually violates the laws of VA.

SB1357 demands that: "The Board of Education shall make publicly available such assessments in a timely manner and as soon as practicable following the administration of such tests, so long as the release of such assessments does not compromise test security or deplete the bank of assessment questions necessary to construct subsequent tests, or limit the ability to test students on demand and provide immediate results in the web-based assessment system."

but VDoE is refusing to do so. Clearly the law considers the release of the assessments the default case and holding them back the exception, but for VDoE it appears to be the other way around: they're not releasing anything. I believe it's because their contracts with Pearsons (the provider of the SOL questions) prevents them from doing so.

Something to contact your state senator and/or house representative about....

Stop shouting.

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Anonymous wrote:It is infuriating OP. I cannot for the life of me understand why this is so hard for them. I can't help but think the results dismal and they want time to pass so people forget about it.

These scores absolutely matter. They are an indicator of the competency of the school administration, a measure of the academic level the students are at, and indicator of teacher strength. These are all important factors if one is moving to FCPS to see which are school is the best for their kid.

These scores do not matter. There are kids who don’t speak English being forced to take these tests. It only matters how your kid does.

DP. But as a tax paying and voting citizen, the scores matter to me. I want to know how the schools in my community are, or are not, meeting the needs of all children. Shame on you.

Except you cannot compare a school that is predominantly white to one with a larger ESL or SPEd population. They are not bad schools, they just don’t have enough resources to help those kids.

Uhm yes, that’s my point. Show us the scores so we can think about where resources need to go!

Except then there will be complaints that Mclean pyramid has 30 kids per class and other schools have 18 per class.

What PP means is show us the scores so we can decide what schools to avoid

But there are great schools that have larger FRM rates that aren’t title 1 that are doing the best they can. Our school has 36 percent ESL and only 3 ESL teachers. Please tell me how these three individuals can bring up all of those kids to grade level? We are not ESL and love our school. Our kid has had fantastic teachers. But our SOL scores aren’t great due to our large ESL population and SPED population. The white and Asian population has high test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:It is infuriating OP. I cannot for the life of me understand why this is so hard for them. I can't help but think the results dismal and they want time to pass so people forget about it.

These scores absolutely matter. They are an indicator of the competency of the school administration, a measure of the academic level the students are at, and indicator of teacher strength. These are all important factors if one is moving to FCPS to see which are school is the best for their kid.

These scores do not matter. There are kids who don’t speak English being forced to take these tests. It only matters how your kid does.

Except that the state sets teachers up by giving teachers little indication of what will be on the test. The sample test questions teachers are given to help kids prepare are from 2015.

Why should teachers be given the opportunity to prep the kids? This is supposed to test what they are actually learning in school.

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Anonymous wrote:It is infuriating OP. I cannot for the life of me understand why this is so hard for them. I can't help but think the results dismal and they want time to pass so people forget about it.

These scores absolutely matter. They are an indicator of the competency of the school administration, a measure of the academic level the students are at, and indicator of teacher strength. These are all important factors if one is moving to FCPS to see which are school is the best for their kid.

These scores do not matter. There are kids who don’t speak English being forced to take these tests. It only matters how your kid does.

DP. But as a tax paying and voting citizen, the scores matter to me. I want to know how the schools in my community are, or are not, meeting the needs of all children. Shame on you.

Except you cannot compare a school that is predominantly white to one with a larger ESL or SPEd population. They are not bad schools, they just don’t have enough resources to help those kids.

Uhm yes, that’s my point. Show us the scores so we can think about where resources need to go!

Except then there will be complaints that Mclean pyramid has 30 kids per class and other schools have 18 per class.

What PP means is show us the scores so we can decide what schools to avoid

You are wrong. My kid is in their last year in FCPS. I want to know how schools are performing.

WHY DOESN'T YOUNGKIN WANT YOU TO KNOW HOW THE SCHOOLS ARE DOING? DOESN'T HE KNOW THAT IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT SINCE YOUR KID IS LEAVING FCPS NEXT YEAR?

Anonymous wrote:This whole post has to be a troll.

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As are about 75% of the posts here in the FCPS forum. I swear there’s a points system in the Liberty Moms group where they earn points for inflammatory posts.

This whole post has to be a troll.

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Anonymous wrote:It is infuriating OP. I cannot for the life of me understand why this is so hard for them. I can't help but think the results dismal and they want time to pass so people forget about it.

These scores absolutely matter. They are an indicator of the competency of the school administration, a measure of the academic level the students are at, and indicator of teacher strength. These are all important factors if one is moving to FCPS to see which are school is the best for their kid.

These scores do not matter. There are kids who don’t speak English being forced to take these tests. It only matters how your kid does.

DP. But as a tax paying and voting citizen, the scores matter to me. I want to know how the schools in my community are, or are not, meeting the needs of all children. Shame on you.

Except you cannot compare a school that is predominantly white to one with a larger ESL or SPEd population. They are not bad schools, they just don’t have enough resources to help those kids.

Uhm yes, that’s my point. Show us the scores so we can think about where resources need to go!

Except then there will be complaints that Mclean pyramid has 30 kids per class and other schools have 18 per class.

What PP means is show us the scores so we can decide what schools to avoid

You are wrong. My kid is in their last year in FCPS. I want to know how schools are performing.