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Anonymous wrote:It discourages healthy whole grains, too, unfortunately. Hope you find this low-carb incarnation liveable after more than a couple of days. I did not. Also, be prepared for plan changes the week before thanksgiving. They do it every year. Might just be tweaks or might be bigger changes.

No such thing as healthy whole grains, PP.

Actually, it is recommended and supported by reputable cancer research, to significantly reduce Gi cancers (stomach, colon, intestines, liver, gallbladder) people should consume 90 mg whole grains per day. That is roughly 3 servings.

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Anonymous wrote:It discourages healthy whole grains, too, unfortunately. Hope you find this low-carb incarnation liveable after more than a couple of days. I did not. Also, be prepared for plan changes the week before thanksgiving. They do it every year. Might just be tweaks or might be bigger changes.

No such thing as healthy whole grains, PP.

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Anonymous wrote:It discourages healthy whole grains, too, unfortunately. Hope you find this low-carb incarnation liveable after more than a couple of days. I did not. Also, be prepared for plan changes the week before thanksgiving. They do it every year. Might just be tweaks or might be bigger changes.

No such thing as healthy whole grains, PP.

Anonymous wrote:It discourages healthy whole grains, too, unfortunately. Hope you find this low-carb incarnation liveable after more than a couple of days. I did not. Also, be prepared for plan changes the week before thanksgiving. They do it every year. Might just be tweaks or might be bigger changes.

Anonymous wrote:OK it's me the crazy middle age lady who decided to join ww based on this thread. I must tell you now that I am an expert (sarcasm) after 2.5 days...I really like it. This is the most full I have felt on a ww program.

They seem to discourage even "healthy..ish" processed food (I know it's an oxymoron) with higher points. Sugar and saturated fats seem to bring points up while fiber (as usual), protein and lack of sugar-other than natural sugar brings it down.

The 0 points foods are delightful and filling and not something I could binge on (beans, eggs). It has been a looong time since I have had several eggs scrambled in just a wee bit of cooking spray. I used to do one egg and some whites. The unlimited fruit scares me because I can eat A LOT of fruit, but we'll see how this goes. It has forced me to turn to fage yogurt instead of my usual flavored siggis because I use up points too fast with the flavored stuff.

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Anonymous wrote:Just count calories. The WW system of basing point on nutritional content of food rather than calories is insane. When it comes to fat loss calories are king. Sure you want to eat high fiber and high protein foods and that should be encourage. but you shouldn't be punished and lose half your point for the day because you ate a 250 calorie donut.

I disagree. Maybe calories in/calories out works for some; but focusing on calories doesn't work for a lot of people. What helped me was being diagnosed with diabetes with an A1C of 7.2 and refusing to immediately start medication. I persuaded my doctor to let me at least try "lifestyle changes" first to see what, if any impact I could have without medication. Fortunately, I had already started walking regularly with some neighbor friends and was already trying to implement some changes anyway.

I don't believe it's just about calories. I believe it's about the foods and combinations of foods we eat. Making sure to have protein at every meal; restricting carb counts per meal to maintain more even blood sugar levels throughout the day; moving around throughout the day and "exercising" or at least being active for 10 minutes after eating each meal/snack.

The diabetes nutritionist after my diagnosis limited my carbs for meals to 35-40 and 15-20 for snacks. It was far easier to track carbs and protein than calories and fats.

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Anonymous wrote:Just count calories. The WW system of basing point on nutritional content of food rather than calories is insane. When it comes to fat loss calories are king. Sure you want to eat high fiber and high protein foods and that should be encourage. but you shouldn't be punished and lose half your point for the day because you ate a 250 calorie donut.

But eating a 250 calorie donut is WAAAYYY different than eating 2 scrambled eggs and a piece of toast. Nutritionally they are different, they keep you full longer, your brain works better when you have some protein. I don't see how anyone can eat a donut and think that's better in any way than what WW teaches you to do.

You missed my point.

I am not saying that the eggs aren't a better choice. Of course they are. You are always better eating protein and will feel better, but at the end of the day, when it comes to fat loss calories are what matter. 250 calories is 250 calories. To give 2 things that contain the same calories 2 very different points values is silly. If I have say 20 pts for a day and eat the 250 cal eggs for 2 points where the donut is 10 pts (making these numbers up because it has been a while since i have done WW) then that just punished people for trying to incorporate life into their diet. And leaves then under eating which will likely lead to then overeating and going over points because they are still hungry. Then they feel like a failure.

Anonymous wrote:Just count calories. The WW system of basing point on nutritional content of food rather than calories is insane. When it comes to fat loss calories are king. Sure you want to eat high fiber and high protein foods and that should be encourage. but you shouldn't be punished and lose half your point for the day because you ate a 250 calorie donut.

Anonymous wrote:OK, I don't know how "new" it is - I last did WW when my kids were toddlers and they are starting high school. But I recently signed up to try to shed this perimenopausal weight and the points system is very different than when I did it before. It clearly favors high protein foods, which just does not work for someone like me who needs more whole grains in my diet. Really, 1/4 cup of buckwheat cereal (140 calories) is 5 points?! A cup of cooked quinoa (222 calories) is 5 points?! But I can have two eggs (120 calories) and a banana (110 calories) for breakfast for 0 points?

Are there alternatives that are more like the "old" Weight Watchers?

Anonymous wrote:It discourages healthy whole grains, too, unfortunately. Hope you find this low-carb incarnation liveable after more than a couple of days. I did not. Also, be prepared for plan changes the week before thanksgiving. They do it every year. Might just be tweaks or might be bigger changes.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. I'm not advocating eating donuts, as one poster suggested. This also is not about eating less food, because apparently I could eat hard boiled eggs and bananas all day long and it would count for 0 points. I want to eat my gluten free steel cut oats (170 calories) or hot quinoa cereal (130 calories) for breakfast without it taking up a huge chunk of my points for the day. I would like to have brown rice as a side dish without it counting as 5-6 points.

I don't feel well when I eat high protein and eliminate grains -- I have tried low carb and it doesn't work for me.

I definitely come from the days when Weight Watchers wanted you to eat five servings of whole grains. That worked for me and was what I thought I was signing up for. It sounds like there is not a setting I can choose or option to select to go back to the old plan, so I guess I will be canceling and trying something else.

Anonymous wrote:Sympathy, OP. I lost a bunch of weight with WW under the old system which favored fiber. I could fill up on veggies and shredded wheat, but eat low calorie overall. When I went back after my DD was born, the system changed and things like eggs were unlimited but carrots weren't, which just didn't work well for me. I used LoseIt to build a low calorie diet of things I liked.