Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:At my DD's private, the ones who did not get into Ivies (thankfully she did)-- the Ivy rejects went to:

*NE SLACs
*Stanford
*MIT
*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Georgetown

The bottom of the class went to state flagships:

*U of Mich
*UVA
*UCLA
*UC Berkeley

Another OOS flagship which should be on the list is
UNC-Ch (8% OOS acceptance rate)

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Anonymous wrote:At my DD's private, the ones who did not get into Ivies (thankfully she did)-- the Ivy rejects went to:

*NE SLACs
*Stanford
*MIT
*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Georgetown

The bottom of the class went to state flagships:

*U of Mich
*UVA
*UCLA
*UC Berkeley

Another OOS flagship which should be on the list is
UNC-Ch (8% OOS acceptance rate)

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Anonymous wrote:The kids who got into ivy 20 years ago would largely no longer be competitive today.

Don't you think the Ivy students of 20 years ago would adapt to be competitive in the new landscape?

Nope. Well, some. It’s just wasn’t that hard 20 years ago. Could an Olympian from 1990 compete in 2023? Most not because the pool is just tougher.

In the olden days you needed a sat prep class and a high school with teachers who knew how to write LORs. Literally just those two things were more than 80% of the pool. The Internet changed it all.

Anonymous wrote:I went to a public college with low tuition and then a top 3 med school. At the time, I did not think undergrad mattered much. My opinion remains unchanged.

Very true for those set on attending medical school after graduation.

The double Ivy couples I know with kids who went to top private schools now have kids at:
UVA
Vanderbilt
Colby
Bucknell
Bryn Mawr
U Chicago

And also…
Harvard
Princeton
Dartmouth

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Anonymous wrote:Schools like Elon and Northeastern have absorbed higher tier applicants in the recent past as compared to their historical past.

Also some of the flagships like Michigan and Wisconsin are much harder to get into today as compared to 15 or 30 years ago.

Is Elon playing the same games with rankings as Northeastern?

Elon is not remotely close to being an ivy academically. Does have some wealthy kids going to school there.

But is Elon gaming the rankings game?

I'm sure they're trying but Elon is actually not a good school.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a really specific answer for OP, based on the 19-21-year0old children of friends, <--- ALL of whom graduated from an Ivy undergrad in the 80s:

Rice
Tufts
Wash U
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. Chicago
Brown
Amherst
Lafayette

This list is in line with my experience. Also:

Williams
Bowdoin
Duke
NYU
BC
Georgetown
Colby
Davidson

I know kids of dual Ivy grads who are matriculating at:

Syracuse
Bucknell
Penn State
Oregon

Once you miss the legacy spot you're in the pool with the masses and it can be a total crap shoot.

Did those dual Ivy grads kids’ have smart grandparents?

The above could be just mean reversion — ie dual Ivy grad mom and dad were the outliers and kids reverting back to the long run family level

Probably some of this. My spouses parents met at a top tier ivy; they had 5 kids and only two were as smart as the parents. Neither of them actually went to Ian ivy, although one did get accepted. Two were a solid step down in terms of brains, and one was only slightly above average.

Anonymous wrote:Case Western
GA Tech
Vassar
Oberlin
Northwestern
Spelman
Howard
Purdue
Carnegie Mellon

No one is going to Oberlin. No one. And Howard is not even close to VA Tech. No one would trade down just for HB

Anonymous wrote:Here's a really specific answer for OP, based on the 19-21-year0old children of friends, <--- ALL of whom graduated from an Ivy undergrad in the 80s:

Rice
Tufts
Wash U
UCLA
Vanderbilt
U. Chicago
Brown
Amherst
Lafayette

Brown is an Ivy you dolt

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Schools like Elon and Northeastern have absorbed higher tier applicants in the recent past as compared to their historical past.

Also some of the flagships like Michigan and Wisconsin are much harder to get into today as compared to 15 or 30 years ago.

Is Elon playing the same games with rankings as Northeastern?

Elon is not remotely close to being an ivy academically. Does have some wealthy kids going to school there.

But is Elon gaming the rankings game?

Anonymous wrote:At my DD's private, the ones who did not get into Ivies (thankfully she did)-- the Ivy rejects went to:

*NE SLACs
*Stanford
*MIT
*Duke
*Northwestern
*U of Chicago
*Georgetown

The bottom of the class went to state flagships:

*U of Mich
*UVA
*UCLA
*UC Berkeley

Liar

Anonymous wrote:Schools like Elon and Northeastern have absorbed higher tier applicants in the recent past as compared to their historical past.

Also some of the flagships like Michigan and Wisconsin are much harder to get into today as compared to 15 or 30 years ago.

L O L nobody is going to Elon or Northeastern instead of Harvard

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Anonymous wrote:Ivy rejects going to Stanford and MIT. lol

The reality is that many Stanford/MIT rejects end up at the bottom of the T25: Columbia, USC, and the like.

These schools are the sweet spot for strivers with good grades but nothing special otherwise.

Your bitterness and envy are blasting so loud above your point no one can hear it.

Anonymous wrote:Ivy rejects going to Stanford and MIT. lol

The reality is that many Stanford/MIT rejects end up at the bottom of the T25: Columbia, USC, and the like.

These schools are the sweet spot for strivers with good grades but nothing special otherwise.

Case Western
GA Tech
Vassar
Oberlin
Northwestern
Spelman
Howard
Purdue
Carnegie Mellon