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Anonymous wrote:OP here. So, the answer seems to be that people look on Instagram and TikTok and see a few people out of 8 billion worldwide and conclude that everyone is Kim Kardashian or an affiliate marketer making gazillions while on the beach. Thus, they don’t want to work, but expect to be paid. Is that right?

The ridiculous thing about that is that Kim K. and the affiliate dudes are independent business people; they’re not employees. They’re also not the Man of inequality.

It’s like people watch social media, conclude that everyone isn’t working but having fun, so they should too. Meanwhile, they forget that it’s social media. Are the claims true? How many of these people exist? Is everything in their life perfect or just the video?

Oh, so you had an agenda and a ready to respond rant queued up.

None of that was in the replies to this thread.

Ha! No, this answer was the furthest from my mind. Contrary to your post, social media, internet transparency, and perceptions of inequality are all mentioned upthread.

I just searched entire thread. No one mentions TikTok or social media either.

Calling you out on your agenda.

The gubnit WFH nut attorney just showed up.

So OP is one of the looney RTO advocates

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. So, the answer seems to be that people look on Instagram and TikTok and see a few people out of 8 billion worldwide and conclude that everyone is Kim Kardashian or an affiliate marketer making gazillions while on the beach. Thus, they don’t want to work, but expect to be paid. Is that right?

The ridiculous thing about that is that Kim K. and the affiliate dudes are independent business people; they’re not employees. They’re also not the Man of inequality.

It’s like people watch social media, conclude that everyone isn’t working but having fun, so they should too. Meanwhile, they forget that it’s social media. Are the claims true? How many of these people exist? Is everything in their life perfect or just the video?

Oh, so you had an agenda and a ready to respond rant queued up.

None of that was in the replies to this thread.

Ha! No, this answer was the furthest from my mind. Contrary to your post, social media, internet transparency, and perceptions of inequality are all mentioned upthread.

I just searched entire thread. No one mentions TikTok or social media either.

Calling you out on your agenda.

The gubnit WFH nut attorney just showed up.

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Anonymous wrote:There have always been slackers. It’s easy to do when you are in your 20s with few responsibilities or are otherwise unencumbered.

Think bohemians. Hippies. Etc etc.

Then biology takes over and you want to procreate and then you step it up with work.

You could not be more wrong. Most people in their twenties have grown up in an era of surveillance. Keystroke loggers and algorithms to measure productivity and rubrics and metrics. Hard to get away with much. It is you old folks who get away with slacking.

But the problem with all the metrics is if people find out what the specific minimum is that you have to do to not get fired or get promoted or whatever then that becomes the standard. If you must respond to emails within 24 hours then that means you don’t have to reply immediately, etc.

Not at professional jobs, snookums. Sorry you got undereducated and work in an Amazon warehouse

Some engineers working for DoT have surveillance software on their gov't laptops, logging all kinds of productivity metrics. Of this I am 100% certain.

Are engineers "professional" in your estimation, Hunny Bunny?

This small cohort, DoT engineers, cannot be the only one in America subjected to productivity surveillance. I'm also familiar with a telehealth NP -- employed for a VERY large company you all know -- who is watched by the corporation. Is her 6 years of higher ed "professional" enough for you, Cupcake?

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. So, the answer seems to be that people look on Instagram and TikTok and see a few people out of 8 billion worldwide and conclude that everyone is Kim Kardashian or an affiliate marketer making gazillions while on the beach. Thus, they don’t want to work, but expect to be paid. Is that right?

The ridiculous thing about that is that Kim K. and the affiliate dudes are independent business people; they’re not employees. They’re also not the Man of inequality.

It’s like people watch social media, conclude that everyone isn’t working but having fun, so they should too. Meanwhile, they forget that it’s social media. Are the claims true? How many of these people exist? Is everything in their life perfect or just the video?

Oh, so you had an agenda and a ready to respond rant queued up.

None of that was in the replies to this thread.

Ha! No, this answer was the furthest from my mind. Contrary to your post, social media, internet transparency, and perceptions of inequality are all mentioned upthread.

I just searched entire thread. No one mentions TikTok or social media either.

Calling you out on your agenda.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So, the answer seems to be that people look on Instagram and TikTok and see a few people out of 8 billion worldwide and conclude that everyone is Kim Kardashian or an affiliate marketer making gazillions while on the beach. Thus, they don’t want to work, but expect to be paid. Is that right?

The ridiculous thing about that is that Kim K. and the affiliate dudes are independent business people; they’re not employees. They’re also not the Man of inequality.

It’s like people watch social media, conclude that everyone isn’t working but having fun, so they should too. Meanwhile, they forget that it’s social media. Are the claims true? How many of these people exist? Is everything in their life perfect or just the video?

Oh, so you had an agenda and a ready to respond rant queued up.

None of that was in the replies to this thread.

Ha! No, this answer was the furthest from my mind. Contrary to your post, social media, internet transparency, and perceptions of inequality are all mentioned upthread.

No one mentioned the Kardarsians — the examples were “normal” well to do people and all the advantages they have.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. So, the answer seems to be that people look on Instagram and TikTok and see a few people out of 8 billion worldwide and conclude that everyone is Kim Kardashian or an affiliate marketer making gazillions while on the beach. Thus, they don’t want to work, but expect to be paid. Is that right?

The ridiculous thing about that is that Kim K. and the affiliate dudes are independent business people; they’re not employees. They’re also not the Man of inequality.

It’s like people watch social media, conclude that everyone isn’t working but having fun, so they should too. Meanwhile, they forget that it’s social media. Are the claims true? How many of these people exist? Is everything in their life perfect or just the video?

Oh, so you had an agenda and a ready to respond rant queued up.

None of that was in the replies to this thread.

Ha! No, this answer was the furthest from my mind. Contrary to your post, social media, internet transparency, and perceptions of inequality are all mentioned upthread.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. So, the answer seems to be that people look on Instagram and TikTok and see a few people out of 8 billion worldwide and conclude that everyone is Kim Kardashian or an affiliate marketer making gazillions while on the beach. Thus, they don’t want to work, but expect to be paid. Is that right?

The ridiculous thing about that is that Kim K. and the affiliate dudes are independent business people; they’re not employees. They’re also not the Man of inequality.

It’s like people watch social media, conclude that everyone isn’t working but having fun, so they should too. Meanwhile, they forget that it’s social media. Are the claims true? How many of these people exist? Is everything in their life perfect or just the video?

Oh, so you had an agenda and a ready to respond rant queued up.

None of that was in the replies to this thread.

OP here. So, the answer seems to be that people look on Instagram and TikTok and see a few people out of 8 billion worldwide and conclude that everyone is Kim Kardashian or an affiliate marketer making gazillions while on the beach. Thus, they don’t want to work, but expect to be paid. Is that right?

The ridiculous thing about that is that Kim K. and the affiliate dudes are independent business people; they’re not employees. They’re also not the Man of inequality.

It’s like people watch social media, conclude that everyone isn’t working but having fun, so they should too. Meanwhile, they forget that it’s social media. Are the claims true? How many of these people exist? Is everything in their life perfect or just the video?

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That’s why performance bands should exist on a sliding scale.

For example with email response time

Over 24 hours: Fireable

Under 24 hours but over 8 hour: adequate, keep job but no bonus

Under 8 hour but over 1 hour: pay bonus

Under 1 hour: higher pay bonus

I'm a lawyer. I take my time answering a question. I do research. Even when I think I know, I look up the statute. Sometimes my research will lead me in one direction but I'll see something that might be an exception or an exception to the exception. Sometimes I can't find a case with the exact same facts so I'll look at several cases with similar facts. I respond in a couple of days, even a week or more, with a polished and well researched response that lays out several options and contingencies. My supervisor very happy with this and understands I am working hard. They know they can call me for an update at any point and I'll explain my evolving position.

I have a coworker who rushes to answer right away. Then as she's researching she will find the exception to the rule and 45 minutes later she'll send an email saying 'actually, now I think this... " and gets into a back and forth with the supervisor. She will do things like send screenshots of things she looked at that turned out not to be relevant. We're remote and I guess this is to prove she was working on the question even though our supervisor doesn’t micromanage. A few days later she will determine the case is the exception to the exception applies and send an email saying "I'd like to amend my response, now I see that my original answer was correct." I see these email chains and I just cringe. This isn't working smart at all.

Anonymous wrote:Alright, alright, alright!

(GenX has a bone to pick about this GenZ inventing slacking bullshit).

Bartleby had it perfected in the Antebellum, so.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There have always been slackers. It’s easy to do when you are in your 20s with few responsibilities or are otherwise unencumbered.

Think bohemians. Hippies. Etc etc.

Then biology takes over and you want to procreate and then you step it up with work.

You could not be more wrong. Most people in their twenties have grown up in an era of surveillance. Keystroke loggers and algorithms to measure productivity and rubrics and metrics. Hard to get away with much. It is you old folks who get away with slacking.

But the problem with all the metrics is if people find out what the specific minimum is that you have to do to not get fired or get promoted or whatever then that becomes the standard. If you must respond to emails within 24 hours then that means you don’t have to reply immediately, etc.

Not at professional jobs, snookums. Sorry you got undereducated and work in an Amazon warehouse

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Alright, alright, alright!

(GenX has a bone to pick about this GenZ inventing slacking bullshit).

Ha!

No one cares about Genx , quite and go away

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Anonymous wrote:Because being a victim gives them something to complain about. Sign of a declining society. Sure, call me old and crotchety but something is different. The USA is floundering.

That is a spillover effect of rampant inequality. Not sure what the gini coefficient is now for the USA but not long ago it was on the cusp of the point where revolution becomes likely (historically speaking). I am not exaggerating.

One more reason to tax the rich a helluva lot more.

Yep. Read “End Times” by Peter Turchin. Very interesting stuff.

💯

Turchin is a must read

Anonymous wrote:It seems like slacking is the new cool. Even if you put in 40 hours, people don’t understand. Quiet quitting, lazy girl jobs, etc. are now all the rage. People want to count their commute in their 40 hours. People want to sabotage RTO by exaggerating time on in-office conversations, coffee breaks, etc.

Here’s what I don’t understand: all these people are getting paid, so why the bitterness? In fact, most people have received hefty pay increases that well exceed their personal inflation rate. Yet, they seem angry at their employer, their job, and their coworkers. It’s like they expect to be paid and to do nothing. Where did this expectation come from?

I’m with ya OP. I don’t understand it either.

I just took over a new team and have some people that are legitimately surprised that I expect them to work every day. They take off all the time on short notice, barely do any work, and the little work they do is very poor quality. Even other teams have noticed and complained about it.

They legit want something (a paycheck) for nothing. And apparently their old boss allowed this nonsense by doing their work himself to avoid the more difficult path of firing these lazy bastards and replacing them with productive workers.

That’s why performance bands should exist on a sliding scale.

For example with email response time

Over 24 hours: Fireable

Under 24 hours but over 8 hour: adequate, keep job but no bonus

Under 8 hour but over 1 hour: pay bonus

Under 1 hour: higher pay bonus