Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:07
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I don't like large cars of any brand. They always look ugly.
But it's really hard to find a small luxury vehicle.
We all should be driving electric cars. No one should buy that beast of a gas guzzling car. Or any gas-powered car.
Buy electric cars, or none at all.
Our planet is becoming uninhabitable. Floods, fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, mudslides -- all are becoming more severe and more devastating. Did you lose your power last week? If you don't have a generator, better get one.
We must end our dependence on fossil fuels yesterday, or today at the very latest.
If you've got $100K to spend on a car, buy an electric vehicle. Please.
Yes, and what provides the electricity to power your POS EV? Coal-fired fossil fuel plants.
Most EVs make ICE cars look hopelessly outdated. They’re extremely fast, great suspensions and steering, lots of tech.
And less than 20% of US electricity comes from coal, and it’s dropping rapidly.
Not to mention even if electricity comes from coal, to drive a mile in an EV is lower carbon emissions than driving a mile on an ICE.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:06
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I don't like large cars of any brand. They always look ugly.
But it's really hard to find a small luxury vehicle.
We all should be driving electric cars. No one should buy that beast of a gas guzzling car. Or any gas-powered car.
Buy electric cars, or none at all.
Our planet is becoming uninhabitable. Floods, fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, mudslides -- all are becoming more severe and more devastating. Did you lose your power last week? If you don't have a generator, better get one.
We must end our dependence on fossil fuels yesterday, or today at the very latest.
If you've got $100K to spend on a car, buy an electric vehicle. Please.
Yes, and what provides the electricity to power your POS EV? Coal-fired fossil fuel plants.
Most EVs make ICE cars look hopelessly outdated. They’re extremely fast, great suspensions and steering, lots of tech.
And less than 20% of US electricity comes from coal, and it’s dropping rapidly.
Anonymous
08/14/2023 11:03
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Yeah, so, hate to break it to you, even with the addition of your ad hominem attacks, minivans still suck. They aren’t fun to drive, they have no towing capability, they have inadequate space behind the back seat for the number of passengers, they have low ground clearance. They have no versatility beyond being a plush minibus for a boring family.
And you look like a doofus driving your brood around in them. Most minivan dads also have wicked road rage issues and get all red faced at their kids hockey games.
And you look like a doofus driving your brood around in them. Most minivan dads also have wicked road rage issues and get all red faced at their kids hockey games.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 16:27
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Cool, yeah, minivans still suck. I don’t care what your plumber and construction worker friends do.
You sound more ignorant than any plunber or construction worker I know. Do better.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 16:21
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Cool, yeah, minivans still suck. I don’t care what your plumber and construction worker friends do.
Oh that’s right, you think you look cool in your oversized truck. I assure you, you don’t. You look like a overcompensating a33hole, which is obviously right on the money.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 14:04
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:It’s a tax dodge for small biz owners. They get to write off 80% of vehicle price in year 1 against their income.
https://www.jeep.com/wagoneer/section-179-deduction.html
Its this!
The Section 179 tax deduction allows eligible businesses to deduct the cost of machinery and qualifying equipment when filing their taxes. This could be office furniture, technology, supplies, and other tangible items. This includes vehicles. And HEAVY vehicles get a better write off.
Any vehicle with at least 6,000 pounds GVWR but no more than 14,000 pounds (3-7 tons).
This includes many full-size SUVs, commercial vans, and pickup trucks.
For 2023, a vehicle qualifying in the “heavy” category has a Section 179 tax deduction limit of $28,900. However, these autos are eligible for 100% bonus depreciation through the end of 2022. Starting in 2023, the allowable bonus depreciation percentage will decrease to 80%.
But there are still better "heavy SUV's" so not sure why people are choosing Wagoners.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 14:00
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I don't like large cars of any brand. They always look ugly.
But it's really hard to find a small luxury vehicle.
We all should be driving electric cars. No one should buy that beast of a gas guzzling car. Or any gas-powered car.
Buy electric cars, or none at all.
Our planet is becoming uninhabitable. Floods, fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, mudslides -- all are becoming more severe and more devastating. Did you lose your power last week? If you don't have a generator, better get one.
We must end our dependence on fossil fuels yesterday, or today at the very latest.
If you've got $100K to spend on a car, buy an electric vehicle. Please.
Yes, and what provides the electricity to power your POS EV? Coal-fired fossil fuel plants.
Anonymous
08/13/2023 13:47
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Cool, yeah, minivans still suck. I don’t care what your plumber and construction worker friends do.
Anonymous
08/12/2023 22:57
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.
Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.
That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.
+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.
SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.
Yeah, but minivans suck.
No they don't.
I have very blue collar friends who drive monstrosities like Ford f150s 250s all day because they haul around tools and equipment. He is absolutely in love with the Honda Odyssey he drives around to haul the family in during the weekends.
Anonymous
08/12/2023 19:45
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.
Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.
That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.
+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.
SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.
Yeah, but minivans suck.
Minivans are probably the best designed vehicles in history, as evidenced by their enduring popularity.
Anonymous
08/12/2023 18:43
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.
Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.
That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.
+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.
SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.
Yeah, but minivans suck.
Agree.
So do people with large families who don’t care about our planet.
Anonymous
08/12/2023 18:41
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.
Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.
That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.
+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.
SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.
Yeah, but minivans suck.
Agree.
Anonymous
08/12/2023 18:37
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
I don't like large cars of any brand. They always look ugly.
But it's really hard to find a small luxury vehicle.
We all should be driving electric cars. No one should buy that beast of a gas guzzling car. Or any gas-powered car.
Buy electric cars, or none at all.
Our planet is becoming uninhabitable. Floods, fires, tornadoes, hurricanes, mudslides -- all are becoming more severe and more devastating. Did you lose your power last week? If you don't have a generator, better get one.
We must end our dependence on fossil fuels yesterday, or today at the very latest.
If you've got $100K to spend on a car, buy an electric vehicle. Please.
G4y
Anonymous
08/12/2023 16:32
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Just another incredibly stupid, massively oversized vehicle that is killing the planet, killing people, causing traffic, and drives terribly. Really, really stupid car, and you a premium to drive that craptacular POS.
Might be true if just driving one or two people to the store, but most huge SUVs are hauling a lot of folks or animals or both. Otherwise would need multiple vehicles.
That’s such a stupid myth. 99% of the idiots driving these massively stupid cars go to the grocery store and target between their soccer practices and going to their office jobs. The car industry sells propaganda to idiot Americans to convince them they need these ridiculously stupid vehicles because the profit margins are better. That’s because they’re exempt from regulations and additional safety testing since they’re classified as ‘light trucks’. A portion of these are sold to idiots in the burbs who drive them all around cities and take up way more space than is needed. A minivan or a station wagon is way, way more practical if you need to haul stuff or a family anyway.
+1, all the big families I know just get mini vans. Loading little kids into a suburban or similar is actually a pain. I also know people who often have to drive large groups (i.e. church groups) and they get regular vans (not mini) -- they would never get SUVs, which are hard for older people with mobility issues to climb in and out of. Station wagons are great for smaller families and lots of service people -- a friend of mine runs an in-home care company and they have a bunch of Subaru Imprezas for their staff that are perfect for transporting gear for home visits. Contractors, construction workers, others who have to tow a lot of tools and gear are better off with an actual truck.
SUVs, but especially the big ones like the Wagoneer, exist for a customer who simply wants to occupy more space. They want a mobile living room, complete with TVs, and to sit above everyone else on the road and to feel impervious. It has nothing to do with practicality or needing a large vehicle to transport people. It's all selfish desires.
Yeah, but minivans suck.
Anonymous
08/12/2023 15:31
Subject: Who are the fools paying $100,000 for a wagoner?
It’s a tax dodge for small biz owners. They get to write off 80% of vehicle price in year 1 against their income.
https://www.jeep.com/wagoneer/section-179-deduction.html
https://www.jeep.com/wagoneer/section-179-deduction.html