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Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Some of the rescue fees are close to breeder fees so better off at a breeder.

Even if that's so, there is a substantive difference.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Same/same.

Both adopters are paying for their dog. Both fees cover the expenses of caring for the dog or puppy.

The fact that one dog was in a bad situation doesn’t negate that both dogs are adopted into their new homes.

Incorrect.
Rescue orgs are generally non-profit. The adoption fees go into caring and rescuing other dogs. For example, a puppy at a rescue doesn't cost them $500, but that fee goes towards the surgery for the dog they just picked up that was hit by a car. That fee goes towards medications for the elderly dog that was abandoned because the owner cant afford medication. All of those fees go back into the rescue to help care for and save other dogs. For-profit organizations do not do this.

And I'm not anti-breeder. GOOD breeders are doing really good things. GOOD breeders are breeding health back into breeds like pugs/bostons/frenchies - dogs that have been so poorly bred that they can barely go for a walk without hyperventilating. Good breeders care for their animals, and have contracts to return the dog to them if you can no longer care for it. Good breeders are testing for medical issues and alerting you up front.

I do think there should be better resources for people to find the good breeders. I understand that a rescue isnt for everyone. But resorting to puppy mills and supporting animal cruelty is not the answer.

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Anonymous wrote:Please leave ‘adopting’ for rescues. I know all y’all with your purebreds (or breeder mutts aka doodles) want to feel better about contributing to the trade, but just please, leave the term adopting for rescues.

You bought your puppy.
-rescue foster mom

Lol I chuckle at all of these people who constantly feel the need to crow about how they “rescued” - who rescued who, amirite?

Idk what this means, but buying from a breeder or pet store or puppy mill isn’t rescuing or adopting.

Literally nobody cares.

Of course people care. Words matter.

Sorry, I forgot a part before
Lots of people complain about “irresponsible breeders” but the same people:

a) support a “rescue” industry that in turn supports hugely irresponsible breeding of pit bulls and other dogs all across the South AND dramatically reduces the market of savvy customers who could support responsible breeding at scale

b) do nothing to help people navigate and find “reputable” breeders

So I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s very little regular people can do except get a dog and hope for the best.

Lots of people complain about “irresponsible breeders” but the same people:

a) support a “rescue” industry that in turn supports hugely irresponsible breeding of pit bulls and other dogs all across the South

b) do nothing to help people navigate and find “reputable” breeders

So I’ve come to the conclusion that there’s very little regular people can do except get a dog and hope for the best.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Same/same.

Both adopters are paying for their dog. Both fees cover the expenses of caring for the dog or puppy.

The fact that one dog was in a bad situation doesn’t negate that both dogs are adopted into their new homes.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

It is the same.

The AdOpT dOn’T sHoP folks are total nutters.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please leave ‘adopting’ for rescues. I know all y’all with your purebreds (or breeder mutts aka doodles) want to feel better about contributing to the trade, but just please, leave the term adopting for rescues.

You bought your puppy.
-rescue foster mom

Lol I chuckle at all of these people who constantly feel the need to crow about how they “rescued” - who rescued who, amirite?

Idk what this means, but buying from a breeder or pet store or puppy mill isn’t rescuing or adopting.

Neither is from a rescue as they rescued it, you just adopt.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please leave ‘adopting’ for rescues. I know all y’all with your purebreds (or breeder mutts aka doodles) want to feel better about contributing to the trade, but just please, leave the term adopting for rescues.

You bought your puppy.
-rescue foster mom

Lol I chuckle at all of these people who constantly feel the need to crow about how they “rescued” - who rescued who, amirite?

Idk what this means, but buying from a breeder or pet store or puppy mill isn’t rescuing or adopting.

Literally nobody cares.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Please leave ‘adopting’ for rescues. I know all y’all with your purebreds (or breeder mutts aka doodles) want to feel better about contributing to the trade, but just please, leave the term adopting for rescues.

You bought your puppy.
-rescue foster mom

Lol I chuckle at all of these people who constantly feel the need to crow about how they “rescued” - who rescued who, amirite?

Idk what this means, but buying from a breeder or pet store or puppy mill isn’t rescuing or adopting.

Anonymous wrote:Please leave ‘adopting’ for rescues. I know all y’all with your purebreds (or breeder mutts aka doodles) want to feel better about contributing to the trade, but just please, leave the term adopting for rescues.

You bought your puppy.
-rescue foster mom

Lol I chuckle at all of these people who constantly feel the need to crow about how they “rescued” - who rescued who, amirite?

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Anonymous wrote:Look, just do the best you can. We bought from a goat farmer in Lancaster that was breeding their family dog with a friends. She only bred two litters and the dogs were raised in her front room. I liked that she had a different public facing business that made her seem legitimate and part of the community. Our dog is 2 and a dream and I don’t regret going this route at all.

You got sold a good story in addition to being sold a dog who was produced out of extreme cruelty.

DP. You don’t know that. It’s so easy to paint an entire region’s dog breeders with the same brush instead of recognizing that one may not be like the other.

Yes, I do know that. You saw good marketing for a very bad bad situation. I promise, this is not a good situation. Your dog's parents live in wire cages and have a miserable life. They are either killed when they stop breeding - or if they are lucky, they are allowed to go into rescue finally at the end of their lives. They are undersocialized dogs who never received enough medical care. They have had their spirits and bodies broken so these people could sell some dogs to naive outsiders who don't want to see behind the curtain.

Instead of getting defensive, please just don't do this again. Love your dog, and please learn. Don't buy dogs in Lancaster.

You aren’t even responding to the same person. But you are big on assumptions, eh? Literally none of your assumptions are true here but go on continuing with your keyboard warrior routine. Whatever helps you feel superior!

Please leave ‘adopting’ for rescues. I know all y’all with your purebreds (or breeder mutts aka doodles) want to feel better about contributing to the trade, but just please, leave the term adopting for rescues.

You bought your puppy.
-rescue foster mom

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are buying a puppy, not adopting one. I really hate that cutesy disingenuous statement from buyers & breeders.

I mean this sincerely: How is getting a puppy from a rescue an "adoption," and researching carefully and finding a puppy to preserve a breed somehow not also "adopting" a dog to be a member of your family?

Adopting a dog from a not for profit rescue organization usually involves paying a fee that covers a portion of the vetting they've done. The fee typically covers just a fraction of those costs and the organization does periodic fundraisers etc. to cover the rest. (Fees are sometimes waived for senior dogs, which are harder to place). When you adopt a dog from a shelter or rescue organization, you are giving a second chance to that dog which may have been abandoned, surrendered by their previous owners, or rescued from a situation of neglect or abuse. That makes room for another such dog in the rescue or shelter, who may otherwise have had to be euthanized. Adopting saves dogs' lives.

Buying a dog from a breeder or a pet shop involves paying for a product, namely a purebred dog (or a mix that is highly desirable to you). The breeder is in the business of producing that product and presumably profits from their sales.

Some of the rescue fees are close to breeder fees so better off at a breeder.

We got out wonderful German shepherd from an Amish family