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Anonymous wrote:I’m afraid to answer this question because the wfh crazies will attack me for being a loser, being selfish, ruining things for everyone, and on and on. Unfortunately the climate on this board won’t allow an open discussion on this topic.

So you really don’t have a reason.

No. Your reading comprehension is very poor. Go back and reread, slower this time, as many times as you need in order for it to sink in.

Lots of words, yet you make no sense. Empty vessels make the most noise.

Anonymous wrote:I’m a manager in a federal office, it’s much easier to supervise people I’m person. All of the mentorship and relationship building happens in person, as well as most of the effective collaboration. New young people seem to be coming and going from our agency very quickly because they have no connection to what we do from home. I’m ok with a hybrid arrangement because I understand that everyone hates the commute, but I would prefer around 3 days a week together in person.

You’re not a good manager. My supervisor has everyone come in on the days he is in office. We have one on one meetings, and we work well on our own. If needed we meet virtually during the week. No one has left in the last 10 years.

I'd hate to wfh because I get lonely fast, but I've noticed the support staff at my workplace who wfh are less accessible and helpful than they were prepandemic. Like, the exact same people. I'm talking HR, IT, admin support etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m mostly confused why people who prefer in person insist that everyone else do it too. No one is forcing you to WFH anymore. Do what you want.

Right. There are so many of these posters that there must be plenty of people willing to fill up the offices and mentor and train all the young people and new workers. And, if they do say so themselves, they are also the smartest and best workers, while those who want to WFH are lazy, unshowered, socially awkward losers. It seems totally win-win. All the pro-RTO alphas can associate with each other exclusively while the WFH-lovers can do their thing.

Most of the pro-RTO talk on this board comes from the same handful of people posting over and over.

Anonymous wrote:I’m mostly confused why people who prefer in person insist that everyone else do it too. No one is forcing you to WFH anymore. Do what you want.

Right. There are so many of these posters that there must be plenty of people willing to fill up the offices and mentor and train all the young people and new workers. And, if they do say so themselves, they are also the smartest and best workers, while those who want to WFH are lazy, unshowered, socially awkward losers. It seems totally win-win. All the pro-RTO alphas can associate with each other exclusively while the WFH-lovers can do their thing.

I’m mostly confused why people who prefer in person insist that everyone else do it too. No one is forcing you to WFH anymore. Do what you want.

These threads are so pointless. Someone asks why people don’t like wfh and if anyone is brave enough to say why they prefer in person work they are criticized and picked apart by the wfh mob. I look forward to having a mandate for more in office time and an end to the constant whining from the people who want temporary pandemic flexibilities to be permanent.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m afraid to answer this question because the wfh crazies will attack me for being a loser, being selfish, ruining things for everyone, and on and on. Unfortunately the climate on this board won’t allow an open discussion on this topic.

So you really don’t have a reason.

No. Your reading comprehension is very poor. Go back and reread, slower this time, as many times as you need in order for it to sink in.

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Anonymous wrote:I’ve had a few conversations with people about the RTO push and who this benefits.

If you’ll notice, most people agitating for RTO are white guys in upper management. Why? In the office, they’re The Man. Without a staff to kiss their ass, who are they?

Furthermore, I think because presumably WFH evens the playing field for POC, as people truly are being evaluated by their output rather than intangibles like “fit,” the white guys are freaking out that the end to their long, nearly exclusive claim to power in corporate America may be fading.

Finally I think a lot of these guys want to cheat, and without “the office” as a place they go to everyday, it makes that a lot harder.

Ok, I am 100% pro WFA but this ^^^ is insane.

I think it's spot-on. Many, many women reported a sense or relief during covid because the workplace harassment stopped.

Thank you.

I have the option to WFH exclusively but I go in two days a week to schmooze. I feel SO much more exhausted after being in office just because I know/feel that my appearance is being evaluated because I am a woman. This is actually quite taxing to the psyche and something men really know nothing about.

I hate zooming from my office, or from home, if it’s most of the work day. I much prefer working in person with humans. At least for me, the work gets done quicker and better, and l feel better and have better morale. It doesn’t have to be every day, but l do much better mentally with in person work as long as some of my colleagues are also there, so the days in need to be synchronized.

Anonymous wrote:I’m a manager in a federal office, it’s much easier to supervise people I’m person. All of the mentorship and relationship building happens in person, as well as most of the effective collaboration. New young people seem to be coming and going from our agency very quickly because they have no connection to what we do from home. I’m ok with a hybrid arrangement because I understand that everyone hates the commute, but I would prefer around 3 days a week together in person.

This is an interesting point. What exactly are you supervising? Clearly it isn’t work products which are workplace agnostic.

Anonymous wrote:I’m a manager in a federal office, it’s much easier to supervise people I’m person. All of the mentorship and relationship building happens in person, as well as most of the effective collaboration. New young people seem to be coming and going from our agency very quickly because they have no connection to what we do from home. I’m ok with a hybrid arrangement because I understand that everyone hates the commute, but I would prefer around 3 days a week together in person.

How do you supervise and what are you supervising? In a professional job, you shouldn't have to walk around and see that people are at their desks at their computer to "supervise." I've known supervisors whose idea of managing is just walking around and shouting "break time is over" and going into the director's office to BS.

I've had in person supervisors who just rubber stamped my work without reading it. I could walk into their office at anytime and discuss but the discussion was never any help - I'd lay out the two options I was debating, and they'd say I had good judgment and whatever I did would be fine. I actually wished I'd had more feedback.

I also have, currently, a remote supervisor who reads and analyzes my work, marks it with track changes, adds meaningful comments, and is available to discuss the substance over the phone or Zoom. They understand what I'm doing very well and they give me interesting work and they are responsive when I have questions and I'm on deadline. Sometimes they'll answer my questions with more questions in a Socratic method kind of way. I think this is an excellent way to supervise. We've never met in person and they understand I'm an adult so if I go idle on Teams I am reading documents or on the phone.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a manager in a federal office, it’s much easier to supervise people I’m person. All of the mentorship and relationship building happens in person, as well as most of the effective collaboration. New young people seem to be coming and going from our agency very quickly because they have no connection to what we do from home. I’m ok with a hybrid arrangement because I understand that everyone hates the commute, but I would prefer around 3 days a week together in person.

Nobody wants your mentorship, relationship... Your inability to supervise WFH folks is not my problem. Big chip on your shoulder...

Says someone who’s never tried to supervise WFH staff.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t care what most people do but I don’t want to work with people who are 100% WFH. They quickly become out of touch and lack empathy because they never see anyone else in person. It’s not an issue with hybrid people, but pre-pandemic I worked with people who were fully remote for 5-10 years and they got WEIRD.

This happened to me (I got weird) years ago working in person, when I was the only person on my floor. So I do get what you're saying. But the vast majority of people are not "never seeing anyone in person." They have family, friends, neighbors, church, community events. We aren't sitting in our jammies with unbrushed teeth precisely because we do see lots of people during the day - plus all the people we see on camera.

PP above, who isn't getting dressed and turning on a camera, is in control of that situation. That isn't a typical or necessary part of WFH.

Yeah, the cliche of a disheveled WFH person died in about May 2020. I’m on Zoom half the day with people all around the country. Some at home, some in the office, and everyone is very much presentable.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a manager in a federal office, it’s much easier to supervise people I’m person. All of the mentorship and relationship building happens in person, as well as most of the effective collaboration. New young people seem to be coming and going from our agency very quickly because they have no connection to what we do from home. I’m ok with a hybrid arrangement because I understand that everyone hates the commute, but I would prefer around 3 days a week together in person.

Nobody wants your mentorship, relationship... Your inability to supervise WFH folks is not my problem. Big chip on your shoulder...

I don’t have a chip on my shoulder. I’ve been very successful in my career, partially by building a strong network. You won’t do that at home in your pajamas with your camera off.

Funny, my spouse has.