Anonymous wrote:If you even have to ask the question you're not going to feel safe anywhere.

Focus on therapy for anxiety and paranoia instead of where to live.

Anonymous wrote:All of these opportunities and they still act like this? I wonder what's up with that

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

As someone who lived EOTP for 20 years and WOTP for over a decade, agree with your point except that crime in apartment buildings on Connecticut and Wisconsin in particular, but also Glover Park, Palisades buildings, etc is up significantly, and condo bldgs are not immune. The WP did a series on Sedgewick Gardens, Forest Hills Connect has done articles as well.

Random assaults and carjackings are also up throughout the city, driven quite literally by all of the stolen cars, cars with paper, fake or missing tags, etc. So WOTP is not nearly as safe as it was 10+ years ago. Flash mob style robberies of CVS and other retailers and carjackings in parking lots are not something WOTP is immune to.

Make decisions based on current crime cards, OP, even if they are undercounted, it is data. Don't go on past reputations re: buildings or neighborhoods. And if safety is a priority, and you are spending the $ to move, may want to consider following the advice of the PP. I know quite a few families that have moved during or since cv, all say they wish they had done it sooner. We're still here, for now, but it's something we talk about. When we moved WOTP we had planned to stay for good.

Please show your work on these ridiculous claims. I want to see official numbers that crime is up "significantly" WOTP.

I think you'd be better off at Nextdoor.

Just wait a few minutes, someone will tell you you can't trust the crime stats because the cops fudge the numbers/people don't report/something something.

However, I will say — as someone who feels safe in Ward 3 and has no intention of moving out or whatever over a rise in crime after historically low levels — total crime in Ward 3 is up by 40 percent year-to-date in 2023, which does seem like it's well within the definition of "significantly."

https://crimecards.dc.gov/all:crimes/all:weapons/1:year%20to%20date/in:Ward:3

Violent crime isn't up as much, fortunately, but it's still up 10 percent. That makes violent crime in Ward 3 up a lot less than citywide; violent crime is up 36 percent year-to-date citywide this year. Total crime citywide is 29 percent (so basically, property crime is up disproportionately in Ward 3, and violent crime is up, but less than in other parts of the city).

We can disagree about how to respond to crime and what's causing it, but at this point, it's hard to argue that crime is not up, either here or on Nextdoor.

+1. Facts are facts, no matter how much some of these sunny susies like to bury their heads in the sand. Until it happens to them, of course.

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

As someone who lived EOTP for 20 years and WOTP for over a decade, agree with your point except that crime in apartment buildings on Connecticut and Wisconsin in particular, but also Glover Park, Palisades buildings, etc is up significantly, and condo bldgs are not immune. The WP did a series on Sedgewick Gardens, Forest Hills Connect has done articles as well.

Random assaults and carjackings are also up throughout the city, driven quite literally by all of the stolen cars, cars with paper, fake or missing tags, etc. So WOTP is not nearly as safe as it was 10+ years ago. Flash mob style robberies of CVS and other retailers and carjackings in parking lots are not something WOTP is immune to.

Make decisions based on current crime cards, OP, even if they are undercounted, it is data. Don't go on past reputations re: buildings or neighborhoods. And if safety is a priority, and you are spending the $ to move, may want to consider following the advice of the PP. I know quite a few families that have moved during or since cv, all say they wish they had done it sooner. We're still here, for now, but it's something we talk about. When we moved WOTP we had planned to stay for good.

Please show your work on these ridiculous claims. I want to see official numbers that crime is up "significantly" WOTP.

I think you'd be better off at Nextdoor.

Just wait a few minutes, someone will tell you you can't trust the crime stats because the cops fudge the numbers/people don't report/something something.

However, I will say — as someone who feels safe in Ward 3 and has no intention of moving out or whatever over a rise in crime after historically low levels — total crime in Ward 3 is up by 40 percent year-to-date in 2023, which does seem like it's well within the definition of "significantly."

https://crimecards.dc.gov/all:crimes/all:weapons/1:year%20to%20date/in:Ward:3

Violent crime isn't up as much, fortunately, but it's still up 10 percent. That makes violent crime in Ward 3 up a lot less than citywide; violent crime is up 36 percent year-to-date citywide this year. Total crime citywide is 29 percent (so basically, property crime is up disproportionately in Ward 3, and violent crime is up, but less than in other parts of the city).

We can disagree about how to respond to crime and what's causing it, but at this point, it's hard to argue that crime is not up, either here or on Nextdoor.

Anonymous wrote:I don't see a reason why anyone would have a problem with any teens, black, white, brown, purple or pink. Its the behavior which raises concern. All of us are former teens and most of us have raised teens, no decent mentally stable teen wants to hurt, scare, rob, stab, kill or humiliate anyone, if they do then there should be rehabilitation or consequences. Letting them ruin their own lives and making neighborhoods unsafe is not empathy.

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

As someone who lived EOTP for 20 years and WOTP for over a decade, agree with your point except that crime in apartment buildings on Connecticut and Wisconsin in particular, but also Glover Park, Palisades buildings, etc is up significantly, and condo bldgs are not immune. The WP did a series on Sedgewick Gardens, Forest Hills Connect has done articles as well.

Random assaults and carjackings are also up throughout the city, driven quite literally by all of the stolen cars, cars with paper, fake or missing tags, etc. So WOTP is not nearly as safe as it was 10+ years ago. Flash mob style robberies of CVS and other retailers and carjackings in parking lots are not something WOTP is immune to.

Make decisions based on current crime cards, OP, even if they are undercounted, it is data. Don't go on past reputations re: buildings or neighborhoods. And if safety is a priority, and you are spending the $ to move, may want to consider following the advice of the PP. I know quite a few families that have moved during or since cv, all say they wish they had done it sooner. We're still here, for now, but it's something we talk about. When we moved WOTP we had planned to stay for good.

Please show your work on these ridiculous claims. I want to see official numbers that crime is up "significantly" WOTP.

I think you'd be better off at Nextdoor.

Just wait a few minutes, someone will tell you you can't trust the crime stats because the cops fudge the numbers/people don't report/something something.

However, I will say — as someone who feels safe in Ward 3 and has no intention of moving out or whatever over a rise in crime after historically low levels — total crime in Ward 3 is up by 40 percent year-to-date in 2023, which does seem like it's well within the definition of "significantly."

https://crimecards.dc.gov/all:crimes/all:weapons/1:year%20to%20date/in:Ward:3

Violent crime isn't up as much, fortunately, but it's still up 10 percent. That makes violent crime in Ward 3 up a lot less than citywide; violent crime is up 36 percent year-to-date citywide this year. Total crime citywide is 29 percent (so basically, property crime is up disproportionately in Ward 3, and violent crime is up, but less than in other parts of the city).

We can disagree about how to respond to crime and what's causing it, but at this point, it's hard to argue that crime is not up, either here or on Nextdoor.

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

As someone who lived EOTP for 20 years and WOTP for over a decade, agree with your point except that crime in apartment buildings on Connecticut and Wisconsin in particular, but also Glover Park, Palisades buildings, etc is up significantly, and condo bldgs are not immune. The WP did a series on Sedgewick Gardens, Forest Hills Connect has done articles as well.

Random assaults and carjackings are also up throughout the city, driven quite literally by all of the stolen cars, cars with paper, fake or missing tags, etc. So WOTP is not nearly as safe as it was 10+ years ago. Flash mob style robberies of CVS and other retailers and carjackings in parking lots are not something WOTP is immune to.

Make decisions based on current crime cards, OP, even if they are undercounted, it is data. Don't go on past reputations re: buildings or neighborhoods. And if safety is a priority, and you are spending the $ to move, may want to consider following the advice of the PP. I know quite a few families that have moved during or since cv, all say they wish they had done it sooner. We're still here, for now, but it's something we talk about. When we moved WOTP we had planned to stay for good.

Please show your work on these ridiculous claims. I want to see official numbers that crime is up "significantly" WOTP.

I think you'd be better off at Nextdoor.

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

As someone who lived EOTP for 20 years and WOTP for over a decade, agree with your point except that crime in apartment buildings on Connecticut and Wisconsin in particular, but also Glover Park, Palisades buildings, etc is up significantly, and condo bldgs are not immune. The WP did a series on Sedgewick Gardens, Forest Hills Connect has done articles as well.

Random assaults and carjackings are also up throughout the city, driven quite literally by all of the stolen cars, cars with paper, fake or missing tags, etc. So WOTP is not nearly as safe as it was 10+ years ago. Flash mob style robberies of CVS and other retailers and carjackings in parking lots are not something WOTP is immune to.

Make decisions based on current crime cards, OP, even if they are undercounted, it is data. Don't go on past reputations re: buildings or neighborhoods. And if safety is a priority, and you are spending the $ to move, may want to consider following the advice of the PP. I know quite a few families that have moved during or since cv, all say they wish they had done it sooner. We're still here, for now, but it's something we talk about. When we moved WOTP we had planned to stay for good.

Please show your work on these ridiculous claims. I want to see official numbers that crime is up "significantly" WOTP.

I think you'd be better off at Nextdoor.

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

As someone who lived EOTP for 20 years and WOTP for over a decade, agree with your point except that crime in apartment buildings on Connecticut and Wisconsin in particular, but also Glover Park, Palisades buildings, etc is up significantly, and condo bldgs are not immune. The WP did a series on Sedgewick Gardens, Forest Hills Connect has done articles as well.

Random assaults and carjackings are also up throughout the city, driven quite literally by all of the stolen cars, cars with paper, fake or missing tags, etc. So WOTP is not nearly as safe as it was 10+ years ago. Flash mob style robberies of CVS and other retailers and carjackings in parking lots are not something WOTP is immune to.

Make decisions based on current crime cards, OP, even if they are undercounted, it is data. Don't go on past reputations re: buildings or neighborhoods. And if safety is a priority, and you are spending the $ to move, may want to consider following the advice of the PP. I know quite a few families that have moved during or since cv, all say they wish they had done it sooner. We're still here, for now, but it's something we talk about. When we moved WOTP we had planned to stay for good.

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Anonymous wrote:I currently live EOTP and am considering a move west. I know crime is increasing there too, particularly by metro stops, but I wanted to get a sense of whether people who live there FEEL safe. For example, do you feel safe in your house but not by the metro or on main streets where restaurants etc are located? Or do you feel completely safe still?

I’m pretty sure we’re neighbors OP, and I don’t get why you’d move WOTP. I get why you’d move, we’re thinking about it too. But either things will get better in DC, in which case our neighborhood will go back to its “normal” (still elevated IMHO) level of crime, or they won’t, in which case WOTP is going to slide into the muck with the rest of us. If it’s time to move, it’s time to leave DC.

Unless you’re a renter, in which case, have at it.

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Anonymous wrote:No part of the city -- or anywhere -- is "completely" safe. But Upper NW is very, very safe compared with nearly every other part of DC.

And you can safely ignore the "Tenleytown is a crime-ridden hellscape when J-R lets out in the afternoon" mouth-breathers who soon will be brigading this thread.

So the PP is the mom of JR students? OP - do ask each and every business around JR their opinion on this topic that PP raises. Ask the librarians across the street. Ask the Metro workers. Due diligence from independent sources will educate you on JR and its impact on Tenlytown.

What should we be asking these businesses and librarians and Metro workers? Be specific, and say what you really mean. Don't be afraid to unburden your true feellings here, we all know you really, really want to.

And we know you like to put your politically correct head in the sand when there is an obvious crime problem caused by these kids.

Which kids? Be specific. And don't just say "students," because everyone on earth knows what you actually mean.

Come on, tell us who you're specifically talking about! You're dying to do it! Just let it all out.

Not PP but they are referring to impoverished teens. You are upset and calling it racist because the majority of the impoverished teens in inner cities in America happen to be black. This is the reality. In rural areas like Appalachia the impovershed teens that do bad things are white. This is how it is in America and this truth isn’t racist or not racist, it just is the way it is.

PP may or may or may not be racist depending on whether it is their blackness / black culture that bothers them or if it is simply the fact that they act unruly, commit crimes, etc.

This is a dumb back and forth. Not everyone is a racist.

And before you get on me, I am a black guy born and raised in DC and am tired
Of car jacking teens and it has nothing to do with race. I’m not an Uncle Tom or self-racist so keep your crazy ideas to yourself— I dislike anyone committing crimes. The topic of generational poverty and the underlying causes of the dynamic that exists is a different topic.

How do you know they are impoverished and so what if they are? They are going to the best public high school in the city. They have all kinds of opportunities.

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