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Anonymous wrote:This is true everywhere in the DMV. For example, many people in 22207 in N Arlington would probably never dare to step foot in most parts of S Arlington where are the slummy apartments are located.

I am from moco, has a friend in Wheaton, but I lived in Chevy chase. I live in 22207 now, and pass the “slummy” 22204 apartments all of the time. You know what the difference is? In va, there is very little crime and I feel perfectly safe walking around those “slummy” apartments. The people who live in them are mostly recent immigrants, and they want to work. They work hard, and they aren’t causing any problems crime wise. Can’t say the same about Wheaton.

In contrast, in Wheaton, the people who live in the apartments are mostly recent immigrants, who work - doing the jobs you wouldn't want to do at any level of pay, and certainly not the level of pay they are getting for their work.

Same with the Arlington people, but we don’t have the gang problem to the extent that MD does.

Because you only have a third of the population that Montgomery County does...

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Anonymous wrote:This is true everywhere in the DMV. For example, many people in 22207 in N Arlington would probably never dare to step foot in most parts of S Arlington where are the slummy apartments are located.

I am from moco, has a friend in Wheaton, but I lived in Chevy chase. I live in 22207 now, and pass the “slummy” 22204 apartments all of the time. You know what the difference is? In va, there is very little crime and I feel perfectly safe walking around those “slummy” apartments. The people who live in them are mostly recent immigrants, and they want to work. They work hard, and they aren’t causing any problems crime wise. Can’t say the same about Wheaton.

In contrast, in Wheaton, the people who live in the apartments are mostly recent immigrants, who work - doing the jobs you wouldn't want to do at any level of pay, and certainly not the level of pay they are getting for their work.

Same with the Arlington people, but we don’t have the gang problem to the extent that MD does.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is a second-tier county. Its new residents are mostly people who buy single family houses because they can’t afford to buy in Northwest or Fairfax and people who rent because they can’t afford a rental in Northwest or Fairfax. There are some small enclaves of wealth that offer what NW and Fairfax don’t but other than that MoCo is a cheaper choice, so you end up with extreme wealth on one end and lower incomes on the other.

The delusion runs deep. Sure, people are choosing the likes of Clifton, Centreville, Chantilly, Burke, and Lorton because they're cheaper than MoCo. Quite the sense of humor you have.

Median house prices:
MoCo: $645k
Fairfax: $725k
Clifton: $556k
Centerville: $545k
Chantilly: $745k
Burke: $850k
Lorton: $727k

Fairfax beats MoCo by $80k. Three of the five places you named beat MoCo. Even Lorton beats MoCo. There are cheaper places in Fairfax, but there are cheaper places in MoCo too (like Damascus, $552k).

I wonder what Fairfax has that MoCo doesn’t.

Fairfax has jobs. It is a job provider.

MoCo takes jobs — it is a labor provider. And a larger percentage of that labor is low wage, immigrant labor. Sure Fairfax has its fair share of this in places like
Hybla Valley and Springfield and some others, but nothing like MoCo which now has vast areas of Latino laborers.

Look, I really don’t understand why any of this is conyroversial and brings out argumentative people on both sides. I’m a DC guy, and I’m an investor, so I could care less about reason for this and reason for that and politics — I just care about what is. The above is the “what is” and it is a reality. When I grew up MoCo was king from a wealth standpoint. Things change.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is a second-tier county. Its new residents are mostly people who buy single family houses because they can’t afford to buy in Northwest or Fairfax and people who rent because they can’t afford a rental in Northwest or Fairfax. There are some small enclaves of wealth that offer what NW and Fairfax don’t but other than that MoCo is a cheaper choice, so you end up with extreme wealth on one end and lower incomes on the other.

The delusion runs deep. Sure, people are choosing the likes of Clifton, Centreville, Chantilly, Burke, and Lorton because they're cheaper than MoCo. Quite the sense of humor you have.

Median house prices:
MoCo: $645k
Fairfax: $725k
Clifton: $556k
Centerville: $545k
Chantilly: $745k
Burke: $850k
Lorton: $727k

Fairfax beats MoCo by $80k. Three of the five places you named beat MoCo. Even Lorton beats MoCo. There are cheaper places in Fairfax, but there are cheaper places in MoCo too (like Damascus, $552k).

I wonder what Fairfax has that MoCo doesn’t.

An even more out-of-balance housing market, apparently.

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Anonymous wrote:MoCo is a second-tier county. Its new residents are mostly people who buy single family houses because they can’t afford to buy in Northwest or Fairfax and people who rent because they can’t afford a rental in Northwest or Fairfax. There are some small enclaves of wealth that offer what NW and Fairfax don’t but other than that MoCo is a cheaper choice, so you end up with extreme wealth on one end and lower incomes on the other.

The delusion runs deep. Sure, people are choosing the likes of Clifton, Centreville, Chantilly, Burke, and Lorton because they're cheaper than MoCo. Quite the sense of humor you have.

Median house prices:
MoCo: $645k
Fairfax: $725k
Clifton: $556k
Centerville: $545k
Chantilly: $745k
Burke: $850k
Lorton: $727k

Fairfax beats MoCo by $80k. Three of the five places you named beat MoCo. Even Lorton beats MoCo. There are cheaper places in Fairfax, but there are cheaper places in MoCo too (like Damascus, $552k).

I wonder what Fairfax has that MoCo doesn’t.

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Anonymous wrote:The median household income in MOCO is now lower than Loudoun, Fairfax, Howard, Arlington, Calvert, and Stafford. It's not what it once was.

none of those places, other than Arlington, have urban centers. Of course the numbers will skew a bit higher.

Average incomes will change that data.

Been to Tysons lately?

Looking at the FARMS % in Fairfax and Montgomery (schools in bold), there does seem to be more income inequality in MoCo and more of a "middle" in FCPS.

Whitman < 5.0%
Langley 3.97%
Churchill 9.7%
Thomas Jefferson 10.30%
Poolesville 10.8%
Wootton 11.9%
McLean 12.32%
Madison 12.70%
Woodson 13.29%
Oakton 14.53%
Robinson 14.83%
Walter Johnson 16.7%
West Springfield 17.07%
Lake Braddock 19.68%
Sherwood 20.3%
Chantilly 20.48%
B-CC 22.5%
Marshall 22.56%
South County 23.31%
Hayfield 30.37%
Richard Montgomery 30.5%
Damascus 30.6%
South Lakes 31.39%
Westfield 32.97%
Fairfax 33.36%
Centreville 33.53%
Northwest 35.0%
Clarksburg 36.4%
Quince Orchard 36.5%
Edison 37.92%
Magruder 44.0%
Rockville 44.5%
Blair 44.7%
West Potomac 46.83%
Einstein 47.1%
Herndon 48.58%
Seneca Valley 49.9%
Blake 54.9%
Annandale 55.33%
Justice 56.80%
Paint Branch 56.8%
Gaithersburg 57.6%
Wheaton 58.3%
Falls Church 58.78%
Mount Vernon 59.82%
Springbrook 61.5%
Lewis 62.78%
Northwood 62.9%
Watkins Mill 64.4%
Kennedy 70.4%

Anonymous wrote:The median household income in MOCO is now lower than Loudoun, Fairfax, Howard, Arlington, Calvert, and Stafford. It's not what it once was.

none of those places, other than Arlington, have urban centers. Of course the numbers will skew a bit higher.

Average incomes will change that data.

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Anonymous wrote:The median household income in MOCO is now lower than Loudoun, Fairfax, Howard, Arlington, Calvert, and Stafford. It's not what it once was.

Nothing is. Things change.

Split Moco

Inside the beltway and outside the beltway. It's back to it's prestige!

Anonymous wrote:The median household income in MOCO is now lower than Loudoun, Fairfax, Howard, Arlington, Calvert, and Stafford. It's not what it once was.

Nothing is. Things change.

The median household income in MOCO is now lower than Loudoun, Fairfax, Howard, Arlington, Calvert, and Stafford. It's not what it once was.

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Anonymous wrote:That’s the question.
For a place that elects politicians that are so pro-egalitarianism why is there so much income inequality. I’ve seen Potomac and I’ve seen the slummy apartments in Wheaton and Silver Spring and the Soviet high-rises in White Oak.

Progressive elites always want servants to do the work.
They typically never walk their talk.

Which "progressive elite" elected Montgomery County officials live in Potomac?

Actually, which elected Montgomery County officials live in Potomac, period?

Which progressive elite elected officials live in middle class housing? Almost none of them. They are all in $1million+ homes, except maybe Balcombe and Sayles

Focus, please: Potomac. Wheaton. Silver Spring. Also, define "middle class" and "housing".

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Anonymous wrote:That’s the question.
For a place that elects politicians that are so pro-egalitarianism why is there so much income inequality. I’ve seen Potomac and I’ve seen the slummy apartments in Wheaton and Silver Spring and the Soviet high-rises in White Oak.

Progressive elites always want servants to do the work.
They typically never walk their talk.

Which "progressive elite" elected Montgomery County officials live in Potomac?

Actually, which elected Montgomery County officials live in Potomac, period?

Which progressive elite elected officials live in middle class housing? Almost none of them. They are all in $1million+ homes, except maybe Balcombe and Sayles

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Anonymous wrote:The Enclave in Silver Springs hosts > 200 LEGAL refugee/SIV families from Afghanistan … in case anyone here still gives a crap about people whom we screwed over. They still need a lot of help. Even in that “slummy place” rents are high (> 2000$ for 2 bedrooms) for families who only have 1 member able to work a minimum wage job. And MoCo has strict occupancy limits so a family with 4 kids and only one breadwinner will truly struggle to afford anything

The great thing about living in the United States are opportunities to get educated and work hard to change your circumstances.

The US actually doesn't do so well on that, compared to many other countries (not including Afghanistan). See here, for example: https://www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/02_economic_mobility_sawhill_ch3.pdf

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Anonymous wrote:That’s the question.
For a place that elects politicians that are so pro-egalitarianism why is there so much income inequality. I’ve seen Potomac and I’ve seen the slummy apartments in Wheaton and Silver Spring and the Soviet high-rises in White Oak.

Progressive elites always want servants to do the work.
They typically never walk their talk.

Which "progressive elite" elected Montgomery County officials live in Potomac?

Actually, which elected Montgomery County officials live in Potomac, period?