Anonymous
Post 07/31/2023 20:24     Subject: Re:Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.


So the only reason laws matter is if you (a) get caught breaking them and (b) have to pay a penalty or serve jail time for it? There's no inherent reason to follow the law otherwise?

I don't believe the fact that Maryland drivers ignore D.C.'s laws and shrug off the consequences of it gives me, a D.C. resident, license to do the same in Maryland. You're welcome to decide otherwise, I guess, but if we all take this narrowly consequentialist view of laws and the common good, it's a pretty bleak outlook for the notion of society.


Thanks for telling us your beliefs. VA and MD have laws that limit camera violations so do not give reciprocity to DC's high camera violation fees. VA and MD could absolutely give reciprocity but they are worried about constituent backlash from both the people with outstanding tickets as well as those who are strongly against high fines from camera tickets.

If DC wants these fines paid then they should fund their enforcement staff and use leverage to get MD and VA to comply. Otherwise everyone just participates in the overall scofflaw attitude in DC so I don't judge anyone who doesn't bother paying these tickets.


D.C. doesn't care if you pay your tickets to Maryland or Virginia. And I don't really see what you want them to do as far as "using leverage" to get Maryland and Virginia to make their drivers pay D.C. tickets. What leverage do they have, exactly?

I still think the idea that you should only pay attention to laws if you can face meaningful consequences for violating them is kind of troubling, and considering the relatively small percentage of any crimes where arrests/convictions result, I suspect you don't want everyone applying this logic to all of their behavior, either.


I'm pretty sure crime in DC has nothing to do with MD/VA commuters throwing their DC tickets in the trash. While I don't pay my DC tickets, I make damn sure I pay the ones I get in PG since our cops will actually pull you over and they still put criminals in jail.


Not street crime but for sure a lot of the reckless, dangerous and aggressive drivers in DC have MD and VA plates and are a menace to DC streets.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2023 19:30     Subject: Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?


Your greed is blinding some of you.

I am a MD resident and would absolutely pay a DC fine.
Just because you've heard of some people not paying their fines, doesn't mean you should do the same.
Two wrongs don't make a right.

You might choose not to pay the fine, but if you say "it's because the others aren't paying theirs", you also accept that you have lost all moral high ground.

I can't believe some of you people. Shame on you.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2023 19:26     Subject: Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:? I always my tickets, regardless of the state. It's called being a decent human.

Do what's right, OP.


I don't get tickets.


I've gotten a total of five parking tickets and three speeding tickets in 31 years driving, but I always pay them — or, if I really think the ticket was undeserved, I follow whatever the procedure is for contesting it (which did get one parking ticket dismissed). I guess everyone thinks they're smarter than I am, but I also don't spend any time having to research whether I'll get my car booted the next time I cross state lines.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2023 19:23     Subject: Re:Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.


Do we have to pay delaware tickets? I got a ticket at bethany for having the back of my car touch the yellow outline of the parallel parking spot.


Sounds like that's something they ticket for, so ... yes, you should pay it, because you broke the parking law. Seriously, does everyone only pay tickets if they fear worse consequences for not paying them? Why do any of you bother paying your taxes? Audit rates have been getting lower and lower...
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2023 10:31     Subject: Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I know there are basically zero consequences for MD and VA drivers who refuse to pay their DC camera tickets. But is the same true for DC drivers who get tickets in MD?

I got a $40 ticket and I kind of want to stage my own protest of MD refusing to agree to reciprocity by not paying this ticket …


Unlike DC, MD and VA are states where you do have to pay the tickets and reciprocity is enforced.


Montgomery County runs the program and they don't go after out of state drivers. They do get a flag placed on your Maryland registration, but nothing for out of state. If the OP ever moves here and tries to register a vehicle in Maryland, they won't be able to without clearing the ticket and the flag fee.
Anonymous
Post 07/31/2023 10:25     Subject: Re:Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.


Can't DC boot an out of state car that is in DC?


DC employs 4 people to put boots on cars. You would likely win the lottery before one of them boots your car.


Not sure what's changed but in the last month or so I have started seeing a lot more booted cars around DC.
Anonymous
Post 07/30/2023 14:47     Subject: Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:? I always my tickets, regardless of the state. It's called being a decent human.

Do what's right, OP.


I don't get tickets.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2023 23:52     Subject: Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:? I always my tickets, regardless of the state. It's called being a decent human.

Do what's right, OP.


Oh please. Thinking this is about right and wrong is as silly as OP thinking anyone anywhere will care about her protest.


DP. I mean, OP shouldn't have exceeded the speed limit in the first place. In Maryland, you only get a citation if you were going 12 mph or more over the speed limit. That's speeding by a lot, which is dangerous. Not driving dangerously is part of being a decent human being, in my opinion.

Given that OP was driving dangerously, and received a ticket for it, the responsible thing is for OP to pay the ticket (and be grateful that nothing worse happened).


It was 41 in a 30 on a 4 lane road. Simmer down.


Someone said this earlier but it got lost. The ticket is void. Law says you need to be going 12 over to get a speed camera ticket. Call them up and get it canceled. Have no clue why there are so many posts about what to do when the solution is so obvious. You'd been issued a ticket for a violation that doesn't exist.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2023 23:09     Subject: Re:Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.


Do we have to pay delaware tickets? I got a ticket at bethany for having the back of my car touch the yellow outline of the parallel parking spot.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2023 22:43     Subject: Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I know there are basically zero consequences for MD and VA drivers who refuse to pay their DC camera tickets. But is the same true for DC drivers who get tickets in MD?

I got a $40 ticket and I kind of want to stage my own protest of MD refusing to agree to reciprocity by not paying this ticket …


Unlike DC, MD and VA are states where you do have to pay the tickets and reciprocity is enforced.


Really? This is the first time I've ever heard this - can you provide a citation on this or even an anecdotal example of this ever happening?

Reciprocity requires the cooperation of both states - it would be incredible if true that DC is cooperating with MD & VA if they aren't doing the same in return.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2023 19:27     Subject: Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
No but they can book your car if you park in md
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2023 19:02     Subject: Re:Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.


So the only reason laws matter is if you (a) get caught breaking them and (b) have to pay a penalty or serve jail time for it? There's no inherent reason to follow the law otherwise?

I don't believe the fact that Maryland drivers ignore D.C.'s laws and shrug off the consequences of it gives me, a D.C. resident, license to do the same in Maryland. You're welcome to decide otherwise, I guess, but if we all take this narrowly consequentialist view of laws and the common good, it's a pretty bleak outlook for the notion of society.


Thanks for telling us your beliefs. VA and MD have laws that limit camera violations so do not give reciprocity to DC's high camera violation fees. VA and MD could absolutely give reciprocity but they are worried about constituent backlash from both the people with outstanding tickets as well as those who are strongly against high fines from camera tickets.

If DC wants these fines paid then they should fund their enforcement staff and use leverage to get MD and VA to comply. Otherwise everyone just participates in the overall scofflaw attitude in DC so I don't judge anyone who doesn't bother paying these tickets.


D.C. doesn't care if you pay your tickets to Maryland or Virginia. And I don't really see what you want them to do as far as "using leverage" to get Maryland and Virginia to make their drivers pay D.C. tickets. What leverage do they have, exactly?

I still think the idea that you should only pay attention to laws if you can face meaningful consequences for violating them is kind of troubling, and considering the relatively small percentage of any crimes where arrests/convictions result, I suspect you don't want everyone applying this logic to all of their behavior, either.


I'm pretty sure crime in DC has nothing to do with MD/VA commuters throwing their DC tickets in the trash. While I don't pay my DC tickets, I make damn sure I pay the ones I get in PG since our cops will actually pull you over and they still put criminals in jail.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2023 15:10     Subject: Re:Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I'll answer your question OP. Reciprocity goes both ways so no, you don't have to pay the MD ticket if it's from a camera. VA and MD drivers refuse to pay millions of DC camera tickets a year, a source of revenue Charles Allen was hoping MD and VA would give in. You're essentially a sucker if you pay an out of state camera tickets despite what these DCUM moralists claim.


So the only reason laws matter is if you (a) get caught breaking them and (b) have to pay a penalty or serve jail time for it? There's no inherent reason to follow the law otherwise?

I don't believe the fact that Maryland drivers ignore D.C.'s laws and shrug off the consequences of it gives me, a D.C. resident, license to do the same in Maryland. You're welcome to decide otherwise, I guess, but if we all take this narrowly consequentialist view of laws and the common good, it's a pretty bleak outlook for the notion of society.


Thanks for telling us your beliefs. VA and MD have laws that limit camera violations so do not give reciprocity to DC's high camera violation fees. VA and MD could absolutely give reciprocity but they are worried about constituent backlash from both the people with outstanding tickets as well as those who are strongly against high fines from camera tickets.

If DC wants these fines paid then they should fund their enforcement staff and use leverage to get MD and VA to comply. Otherwise everyone just participates in the overall scofflaw attitude in DC so I don't judge anyone who doesn't bother paying these tickets.


D.C. doesn't care if you pay your tickets to Maryland or Virginia. And I don't really see what you want them to do as far as "using leverage" to get Maryland and Virginia to make their drivers pay D.C. tickets. What leverage do they have, exactly?

I still think the idea that you should only pay attention to laws if you can face meaningful consequences for violating them is kind of troubling, and considering the relatively small percentage of any crimes where arrests/convictions result, I suspect you don't want everyone applying this logic to all of their behavior, either.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2023 14:15     Subject: Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
Anonymous wrote:I know there are basically zero consequences for MD and VA drivers who refuse to pay their DC camera tickets. But is the same true for DC drivers who get tickets in MD?

I got a $40 ticket and I kind of want to stage my own protest of MD refusing to agree to reciprocity by not paying this ticket …


Unlike DC, MD and VA are states where you do have to pay the tickets and reciprocity is enforced.
Anonymous
Post 07/28/2023 13:35     Subject: Do I have to pay a MD camera ticket if I have a DC plate?
The answer is no, you don't have to if you aren't worried about bringing your car into DC. If you do bring your car into DC there may be an issue.

I never paid several parking tickets from Maryland and DC and it never was an issue other than a few angry letters. There is no impact on credit as long as the original amount is under a certain amount.