Anonymous
07/28/2023 09:22
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of the arguments on this thread could also be applied to legacy admissions.
If Legacy goes, then faculty should start assuming that the perks for their kids are next.
These are two completely different things.
Legacy rewards kids for being born to parents who had parents who could afford to send them to an elite college during some pretty sad economic times (and conveniently dodged the draft)
Faculty hook and/or tuition break is an employment benefit - part of a benefits package and a contract. An earned benefit.
1. in both situations, it's kids being rewarded for their parent's accomplishment
2. do you think poor kids get on tenure track? Those professors usually have elite and expensive undergrad degrees as their starting point
DP, but tuition breaks aren’t necessarily reserved for tenured faculty. Many universities offer the same benefit to their groundskeepers and custodians.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:59
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:NP. I know two kids of faculty who got into their parent’s elite school in this last round. Both were admitted off the wait list. Both had decent stats but not anything that would have had admission absent a very significant hook. Neither got into any other schools at the same level, though did get into some very good schools, just not same level as the ones where their parents teach.
I can’t see getting worked up about it, but it’s quite obvious to me that being a faculty child is a huge hook.
n-count of 2 and those 2 got into other "very good schools." I don't think we should trust your "quite obvious" conclusion.
NP but I’m wondering if you haven’t read the Selingo book for this discussion? (Employee tag Emory)
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:52
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of the arguments on this thread could also be applied to legacy admissions.
If Legacy goes, then faculty should start assuming that the perks for their kids are next.
These are two completely different things.
Legacy rewards kids for being born to parents who had parents who could afford to send them to an elite college during some pretty sad economic times (and conveniently dodged the draft)
Faculty hook and/or tuition break is an employment benefit - part of a benefits package and a contract. An earned benefit.
1. in both situations, it's kids being rewarded for their parent's accomplishment
2. do you think poor kids get on tenure track? Those professors usually have elite and expensive undergrad degrees as their starting point
Why don’t I get your employee benefits?
medical, dental, and a 401k- have at it.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:51
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of the arguments on this thread could also be applied to legacy admissions.
If Legacy goes, then faculty should start assuming that the perks for their kids are next.
These are two completely different things.
Legacy rewards kids for being born to parents who had parents who could afford to send them to an elite college during some pretty sad economic times (and conveniently dodged the draft)
Faculty hook and/or tuition break is an employment benefit - part of a benefits package and a contract. An earned benefit.
1. in both situations, it's kids being rewarded for their parent's accomplishment
2. do you think poor kids get on tenure track? Those professors usually have elite and expensive undergrad degrees as their starting point
Why don’t I get your employee benefits?
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:48
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Many of the arguments on this thread could also be applied to legacy admissions.
If Legacy goes, then faculty should start assuming that the perks for their kids are next.
These are two completely different things.
Legacy rewards kids for being born to parents who had parents who could afford to send them to an elite college during some pretty sad economic times (and conveniently dodged the draft)
Faculty hook and/or tuition break is an employment benefit - part of a benefits package and a contract. An earned benefit.
1. in both situations, it's kids being rewarded for their parent's accomplishment
2. do you think poor kids get on tenure track? Those professors usually have elite and expensive undergrad degrees as their starting point
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:44
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Anonymous wrote:Such blatant hypocrisy. At elite colleges the professors tend to be self-righteous about social justice & helping the downtrodden. Power to the people!! But threaten THEIR privileges and they respond like Thurston Howell III being offered a wine cooler.
With a take like this, I doubt your kids are competitive for an elite college spot anyway. Wasted outrage.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 08:40
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Such blatant hypocrisy. At elite colleges the professors tend to be self-righteous about social justice & helping the downtrodden. Power to the people!! But threaten THEIR privileges and they respond like Thurston Howell III being offered a wine cooler.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 02:27
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
I’m ok with it going away. Affirmative action, legacy, ALDC…get rid of every admission boost.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 01:10
Subject: Re:Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Some schools actually provide a tuition discount at *other* universities. Notre Dame does this.
https://hr.nd.edu/benefits-compensation/educational-benefits/
https://hr.nd.edu/benefits-compensation/educational-benefits/
Anonymous
07/28/2023 00:40
Subject: Re:Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
I am not in academia and in fact, have a rising Sophomore who will potentially be "competing" with faculty kids for spots.
I have zero issue with tuition breaks and/or admittance preference for faculty kids.
I also have no issue with recruited athletes but that's just me. My kid will not be one of them, before you ask.
Legacy? Boot it. Totally different than the above.
I have zero issue with tuition breaks and/or admittance preference for faculty kids.
I also have no issue with recruited athletes but that's just me. My kid will not be one of them, before you ask.
Legacy? Boot it. Totally different than the above.
Anonymous
07/28/2023 00:40
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
This really varies by school. I was a faculty brat but had to be admitted on my own merits. Once in, there was a 50% tuition discount.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 23:23
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Anonymous wrote:NP. I know two kids of faculty who got into their parent’s elite school in this last round. Both were admitted off the wait list. Both had decent stats but not anything that would have had admission absent a very significant hook. Neither got into any other schools at the same level, though did get into some very good schools, just not same level as the ones where their parents teach.
I can’t see getting worked up about it, but it’s quite obvious to me that being a faculty child is a huge hook.
n-count of 2 and those 2 got into other "very good schools." I don't think we should trust your "quite obvious" conclusion.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 23:05
Subject: Re:Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Small numbers. Who cares?
Anonymous
07/27/2023 22:07
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
NP. I know two kids of faculty who got into their parent’s elite school in this last round. Both were admitted off the wait list. Both had decent stats but not anything that would have had admission absent a very significant hook. Neither got into any other schools at the same level, though did get into some very good schools, just not same level as the ones where their parents teach.
I can’t see getting worked up about it, but it’s quite obvious to me that being a faculty child is a huge hook.
I can’t see getting worked up about it, but it’s quite obvious to me that being a faculty child is a huge hook.
Anonymous
07/27/2023 21:17
Subject: Legacy? Some are worried it would also mean the end Children of Faculty Admissions Boost?
Anonymous wrote:Many of the arguments on this thread could also be applied to legacy admissions.
If Legacy goes, then faculty should start assuming that the perks for their kids are next.
These are two completely different things.
Legacy rewards kids for being born to parents who had parents who could afford to send them to an elite college during some pretty sad economic times (and conveniently dodged the draft)
Faculty hook and/or tuition break is an employment benefit - part of a benefits package and a contract. An earned benefit.