Anonymous
Post 07/23/2023 09:05     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When Penn makes it official I think they will be 1st ivy to end legacy admissions. Right now it's slimmed down - no suggestion for legacies to apply ED and no special orientation tour and it's merely "considered".

Stanford may do it too. They already separate "development admits" as a different category than legacy.


Penn I hate them now. They told we alums for forty years that children should apply ED. Then quietly changed this which I didn’t notice while my kid was applying last year. Applied ED with excellent grades, recs, from a school that penn likes, and 36 ACT. Denied. Schools prefer first gen now.


We dislike Penn for similar reasons. I don't mind at all that they are not considering legacy but they kept encouraging kids to apply ED for legacy to matter and many kids wasted their ED on Penn keeping this is mind. I think if they had explicitly stated that legacy (if not a donor) does not matter, most people would not have hated them so much.
Anonymous
Post 07/23/2023 00:02     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Anonymous wrote:When Penn makes it official I think they will be 1st ivy to end legacy admissions. Right now it's slimmed down - no suggestion for legacies to apply ED and no special orientation tour and it's merely "considered".

Stanford may do it too. They already separate "development admits" as a different category than legacy.


Penn I hate them now. They told we alums for forty years that children should apply ED. Then quietly changed this which I didn’t notice while my kid was applying last year. Applied ED with excellent grades, recs, from a school that penn likes, and 36 ACT. Denied. Schools prefer first gen now.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 23:53     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Anonymous wrote:All of them. Every few days I hear of another one (yesterday it was Wesleyan)... The frequency will increase and then there will be a flood. It's becoming inevitable and soon legacies will be a mark of shame.



Second this - all.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 23:11     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Met an alum of a T25 this week. He said boosters were getting annoyed bc they just wanted to know how much - is it 5 or 10 million (to get their kids in)? It was surreal as the lead into I was saying I don’t know how you can dismantle AA and leave legacy in place…. He told me AA was racist, but went on to say legacy is poorly managed bc there is no price list. Elites really out of touch with reality…


AA is discrimination based on race, which is certainly unconstitutional. Even the original SCOTUS acknowledged it and spoke of a 25 year limit (in the 1960s!). Legacy is not discrimination based on race and as such is not covered by the Constitution. That's it in a nutshell.

Harvard etc could keep AA but they'd have to give up federal funding in any form.


Disparate Impact. Look it up. This why legacies will eventually get banned too.

The Mega Donors bucket is likely more diverse than the Legacy bucket because of wealthy foreign families giving outsized donations.


Disparate impact has been modified and limited by the SC for 20 plus years. There is no reason to believe that this court will allow its application for any purpose. So no this is not going to impact legacy.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 23:06     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Anonymous wrote:There will be some virtue signaling for a while. The schools with very large endowments may drop legacy admission forever, but others will trickle back over time. Hi

Coming reduction in college age population, increasing interest in trades, and other factors will thin the number of US colleges.

Sure TO will continue to increase applications for the top 50 or so schools, everybody likes to play the lottery but over time supply will outpace demand and admission strategies will change.


You have this wrong. It is the schools withe the biggest endowments that will keep legacy.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 23:03     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Anonymous wrote:All of them. Every few days I hear of another one (yesterday it was Wesleyan)... The frequency will increase and then there will be a flood. It's becoming inevitable and soon legacies will be a mark of shame.


This is not a thing. One school. One before not recent.

I expect some will do it and the pace will pick up. But most will not. Ever.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 21:40     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
What makes you a mega donor??
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 20:27     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
I don’t see how it benefits any non legacy applicant if legacy is abolished. The number of legacy applicants where “that’s why they got in” is trivial. They’re not shutting you out of anywhere or “taking your kid’s spot”.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 19:35     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:In name many, in reality none. It will just be a hidden secret. Not every legacy will be measured the same. Mega donor alum’s kids will still get in. But not every legacy applicant will get special treatment.


But "mega donor" is open to everyone, legacy and non-legacy, if you can pay. Lots of wealth foreigners who become a "mega donor" to establish a relationship with the school and pave the way for their kids to attend.

The mega donor list is very short relative to the legacy list.
Same folks who pay 50K+ for college “counselors” then complain about admissions not being “fair”.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 17:13     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Any school with Spineless administrators who don't have the courage to stand up to the rabble rousers
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 16:32     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:They may drop legacy but keep the Development/Dean’s list. But that likely does decrease the number of slots taken by a lot without a huge financial hit.


+1

Development/Dean’s list cases will still count at a school like Wesleyan, the only people this hurts are the run of the mill alumni whose children apply



Riiiiiiight. Because if you don’t donate a building you are “run of the mill”

🙄
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 16:30     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
Anonymous wrote:Met an alum of a T25 this week. He said boosters were getting annoyed bc they just wanted to know how much - is it 5 or 10 million (to get their kids in)? It was surreal as the lead into I was saying I don’t know how you can dismantle AA and leave legacy in place…. He told me AA was racist, but went on to say legacy is poorly managed bc there is no price list. Elites really out of touch with reality…


Help me out here, what does the court ruling against affirmative action have to do with legacy admissions anyway. Legacy admissions is completely lawful under the Equal Protection Clause, race-based admissions, they ruled, isn't.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 15:58     Subject: Which other colleges & universities are likely to drop legacy preference in upcoming 1-2 years?
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Anonymous wrote:Chicago will be last. Over Dartmouth. Dartmouth will be last of ivies. Chicago will never cave. They don’t give a hoot what anyone thinks. For real.


I think Notre Dame will be last.


It absolutely will. Just look at the share of American Catholics who are Hispanic-Latino vs. the share of ND undergrads who are Hispanic-Latino. It is stark.

ND is a playground for rich white Catholics who are increasingly reactionary conservatives. It is what it is and I don’t think ND is going to change, it will likely only get worse as a matter of spite.