Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 11:17     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Amazing. A bunch of rich white professional and allegedly liberal women who purport to care complaining about leaving a few extra pennies as a tip.

The hypocrisy of DCUM is over the top.


It's not hypocritical in the slightest. It's demanding that employers pay their people well and do their jobs. Why is the restaurant industry exempt from every basic business practice that the rest of the corporate world employs? I bet you demand that Amazon pay living wages. What would you say if Amazon required a 20% tip for all delivery people? You'd think that was crazy, right? Same thing. Stop being daft.


Oh, I see, you’re putting the squeeze on the workers to get at their employers. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.


DP. I'm glad you see it! This is the right time too. There's still a shortage of employees, which gives them the opportunity to 'put the squeeze' on their employer. If not, they can quit and find another job, can't they?
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 11:14     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
It was so nice to go to Japan and get excellent service without the need for tips.

Tip screens drive me crazy in the US at the moment. I was willing to deal with them during the pandemic to keep my favorite places alive, but now it is way worse.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 11:09     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:Amazing. A bunch of rich white professional and allegedly liberal women who purport to care complaining about leaving a few extra pennies as a tip.

The hypocrisy of DCUM is over the top.


what are you eating where a penny is 20%, are you from 1925?
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 11:07     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:I agree.. it's just a way for employers to pass on the burden of fair wages to the customer while keeping menu prices low. I would love for business owners to raise prices , and suggest only optional minimum tips.

Would help control the inflation, as more people stop dining out due to sticker shock and servers start finding more lucrative jobs.

Good in the long run, kind of same as airlines being forced to include all taxes in the final displayed fare


Nope. A business will charge as much as they can get away with regardless of other factors. Don't kid yourself. Restaurant owners WILL raise prices regardless of how much you tip. They are in it to make maximum profit. Period. The rest of it - employee satisfaction, community engagement, hiring locals, etc. - is just BS. A major reason for the inflation is business owners' greed. They want to maximize profit. I love that as an investor, but let's understand the reality.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 11:01     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:just do 15 and be done with it. 0 for carry outs. i refuse to buy into this crazy tip-sh*t culture we are in


+1
Ridiculous! When I'm prompted I hit no tip. I still consider 15% decent and 20% good. If they want more then that, they need a better job. Once the employers have a hard time with staffing they will raise wages. It's called capitalism.


To raise wages they’ll raise prices, and by more than the tipped amount because it will be taxed more. But if you’d rather pay more overall just not as tips, have at it!


Nope. They have already raised prices. We are now paying at fast-decent places like Noodles what we used to pay at restaurants less than 3 years ago. on top of that, tipping expectations have also gone up. Double whammy!

And yes, I'd rather the restaurant compete on price vs. this backdoor bullshit.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:53     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What I hate the most is this strategy of shaming you or making it so awkward and uncomfortable that you are "forced" to tip higher amount. I can deal with it now but it took some getting used to.


Yes, I had to adjust the way I approach these interactions. I used to view tipping as a form of thank you or a compliment to the staff, and I was happy to provide the tip. Now that places aggressively ask for tips or provide a "default" tip on electronic transactions that I must affirmatively change, I view it as what it is -- a negotiation. It's not a thank you or a compliment, we're bargaining and your goal is to get as much of my money as possible. Well now my goal is to keep as much of my money as possible, and I'm not going to bullied or manipulated into giving more. See how that works?

Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:51     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now


Typical DCUM:
1. Tips more than most people.
2. Excoriates people who tip the normal amount, or not at all (which is also normal).
3. Goes into a frenzy when they're rightly ignored.

Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:50     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
I agree.. it's just a way for employers to pass on the burden of fair wages to the customer while keeping menu prices low. I would love for business owners to raise prices , and suggest only optional minimum tips.

Would help control the inflation, as more people stop dining out due to sticker shock and servers start finding more lucrative jobs.

Good in the long run, kind of same as airlines being forced to include all taxes in the final displayed fare
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:48     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:just do 15 and be done with it. 0 for carry outs. i refuse to buy into this crazy tip-sh*t culture we are in


Before or after taxes and the new surcharge?
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:48     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now

If the service is adequate, I do 10% for coffee shops and take-out, and 18-20% for sit-down restaurants. There is no way I am doing more than 20%. I don't have a money tree.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:48     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Amazing. A bunch of rich white professional and allegedly liberal women who purport to care complaining about leaving a few extra pennies as a tip.

The hypocrisy of DCUM is over the top.


It's not hypocritical in the slightest. It's demanding that employers pay their people well and do their jobs. Why is the restaurant industry exempt from every basic business practice that the rest of the corporate world employs? I bet you demand that Amazon pay living wages. What would you say if Amazon required a 20% tip for all delivery people? You'd think that was crazy, right? Same thing. Stop being daft.


Oh, I see, you’re putting the squeeze on the workers to get at their employers. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.


I don't give rat's a$$ what you say. If you want to give 100% tip, be my guest.

- dp


Well, you’re an ass but at least you’re and honest ass. You’re not pretending that you don’t tip because you want to help the workers. bar
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:46     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Amazing. A bunch of rich white professional and allegedly liberal women who purport to care complaining about leaving a few extra pennies as a tip.

The hypocrisy of DCUM is over the top.


It's not hypocritical in the slightest. It's demanding that employers pay their people well and do their jobs. Why is the restaurant industry exempt from every basic business practice that the rest of the corporate world employs? I bet you demand that Amazon pay living wages. What would you say if Amazon required a 20% tip for all delivery people? You'd think that was crazy, right? Same thing. Stop being daft.


Oh, I see, you’re putting the squeeze on the workers to get at their employers. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.


I'm not putting the squeeze on anyone. I don't employ these people. The employers who refuse to pay living wages does. Why we insist that consumers pad their salaries because employers refuse to is beyond me. but sure, blame everyone but the employer.


The mature and generous and truly non-self-centered thing to do is lobby the people in charge to raise minimum wages. It’s not to refuse to tip the waiters. You’re making excuses to justify your own avarice.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:46     Subject: Re:So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:Do you know why I tip so well? Because every time I see a minimally paid service worker in this area I wonder where they live, how far they had to commute, and how they can afford nutritious food for themselves, much less a family if that is their situation. I have so much .... makes me feel good. The landlords soaking people for every dime make me sick, not the restaurants pushing for tips for their employees.


You're tipping to absolve yourself of your guilt, so you're buying your way out of what you're feeling. Everything else is just excuses you tell yourself.

I don't tip takeaway or self serve. And never at bakeries or coffee shops where the screen pops up with the tip amount.

I almost never dine out at restaurants but the few times I do, 20% is what I will put down unless there is already a service charge added to the bill. If there is one, the service is deducted from the tip I'd otherwise leave.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:45     Subject: So it’s 22% tips now
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:just do 15 and be done with it. 0 for carry outs. i refuse to buy into this crazy tip-sh*t culture we are in


+1
Ridiculous! When I'm prompted I hit no tip. I still consider 15% decent and 20% good. If they want more then that, they need a better job. Once the employers have a hard time with staffing they will raise wages. It's called capitalism.


To raise wages they’ll raise prices, and by more than the tipped amount because it will be taxed more. But if you’d rather pay more overall just not as tips, have at it!

If that happens I’ll simply stop going out to eat. I can cook perfectly well at home.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 10:39     Subject: Re:So it’s 22% tips now
Do you know why I tip so well? Because every time I see a minimally paid service worker in this area I wonder where they live, how far they had to commute, and how they can afford nutritious food for themselves, much less a family if that is their situation. I have so much .... makes me feel good. The landlords soaking people for every dime make me sick, not the restaurants pushing for tips for their employees.