Anonymous
Post 07/23/2023 13:15     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that people need to stop having kids that they cannot properly take care of. I don’t know what the answer is. Maybe there should be some sort of guaranteed income if someone finishes school and attends college or a trade school before having any children. It would be cheaper for society in the long run.


A good first step is to keep abortion + contraception legal, cheap, and easy to attain.

But I see a lot of politicians trying to restrict abortion and contraception + flood the country with cheap guns. That's recipe for an army of traumatized street kids.


All of the bolded items are readily available in DC. You need to come up with another excuse.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 12:11     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and could think of a few former students this could be. One has a mentally ill parent and another parent truly doing their best but has trauma and PTSD from the other parent. There’s a lack of mental health resources available. And at schools we’re so trauma informed we allow kids to get away with anything. I’ve seen it all in elementary school and the kids just get. a few days suspension to play video games and come back bragging about it.

The real answer to crime is what’s happening at the lower school levels. And that’s a question for city council who has eliminated all disciplinary options.


No, the question is: how do we parent better? How do we help with mental illness better?


In an ideal world, yes. In our real world, we have to ALSO deal with the consequences of these kids in the here and now. Bad behavior should have real consequences. Kids like this should not be out in society until they can function in it. It's not fair to all the people they will victimize. It's not fair to the teachers and other kids in school.

How do we rehab these kids? The slap on the wrist does nothing. We have already established that the parents aren't helping or can't handle the situation. So what do we do?

And, of course, who's willing to pay for these services?
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 12:00     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:


Anonymous wrote:
The 11 year-old pulled a gun on multiple people! Where TF is a 5th grade acquiring a gun?

The mom says he’s on drugs, she thinks he has psychological problems, and she can’t control him.

This kid needs to be sent to a military or remedial boarding school in the depths of Maine or Vermont for a few years to get him sorted out. Along with a full psyche eval and whatever meds are needed.



The kid is obviously a victim himself so sending him to some abusive place will not get him “sorted out” at all. If that crap worked so well we would be doing it with everyone.


This "crap" as you call it, it EXACTLY the type of re-set that middle and upper middle class families do when they have kids going off the rails. Yes, there are some abusive type places in that vein but there are also a lot of good ones. We had an increasingly violent 13 yo whom we had adopted at age 8 out of a trauma background and that was exactly what we did. After a stint in that type of environment, he came home and graduated from high school, attend trade school, and now holds down a good job. Those type of intensive high-structure/high nurture environments are where we need to be sending youthful offenders---not re-releasing them back into the communities without consequences so their behaviors will continue to escalate. But it has to be real therapy along with the intensively structured environment---not just a holding pen "baby" prison where kids can just learn worse behaviors from each other. And along with shipping a kid off to a high structure environment, there needs to be a requirement that the parent/caretaker also participate in intensive therapy and monitoring, so the kid just doesn't relapse into prior behaviors once returned to the home. Are these kinds of environments incredibly expensive to build and maintain? Absolutely. A good one costs as much per kid per year as sending a kid to Harvard. But what we are doing now isn't working.


It sorted my stepdad out. He had gotten in a lot of trouble as a teen and was on a fast track to prison. Instead he was sent into the army and it sorted him out and made him a decent and productive member of society.


+2

Doing little or nothing only sends the wrong message and makes the situation (kid) worse.
Anonymous
Post 07/22/2023 11:53     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
This child is in need of help and support as does his mother need support. I doubt military school would help him. His needs counseling as does his mother. I'm not sure sending him into governmental would make sense given all the abuse that happens in those group homes.

But he does need to also go to drug counseling because he is obviously self medicating some type of pain & trauma.

Anonymous
Post 07/21/2023 20:33     Subject: Repeat offender at 11 years old
^ HE already has documented ISSUES re: the GPS tracker. Ergo, this is not going to work.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2023 20:32     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“agreed to stay out of Northwest DC”? Is this the criminal justice version of NIMBY? He can be turned loose on society, as long as he doesn’t bother anyone in NW DC? Either he presents a danger to society or he doesn’t (and it appears he does).


So it's fine for him to go on crime sprees in NE, SW, and SE? What judge and what prosecutor agreed to that idiocy?


The kid has an ankle tracker. He’s probably not allowed to travel more than a certain radius from home or school. Which effectively means he’s banned from NW if he’s living in SE.

You’re missing the forest for the trees.


No, there are already documented compliance re: the tracker. Whether that is not charging it, using foil to disable it, etc, the tracker is not the be all and end all. Even if it were, you think he crosses into NW and cops magically and instantly appear? Kid is not taking the consequences seriously, mom says she needs help with him, kid needs to be taken out of the community for a bit to get some intensive help for the DRUG and VIOLENCE issues he has at ELEVEN.
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2023 20:24     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:Janeese Lewis George says we can’t arrest people under 18, no matter what crime they committed, because it will traumatize them.

Stop electing these crazy people to office.


She is nuts
Anonymous
Post 07/21/2023 10:26     Subject: Repeat offender at 11 years old
How can kid like tis be returned to his parents?
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 15:39     Subject: Repeat offender at 11 years old
GPS is easily foiled, pun intended, with aluminum foil.

This kid has shown that release with conditions does not prevent further gun crimes by him.

For both HIS sake and for public safety, he needs a different type of sentence. If not diverted he will end up dead at a young age or ultimately in adult prison. The mother says she needs help re: his drug use and behavior at school/school placement. He seems to warrant (pun intended) a more secure setting.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 15:30     Subject: Repeat offender at 11 years old
Another Schwab success story.

The revolving door keeps spinning.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 15:29     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:The bottom line is that people need to stop having kids that they cannot properly take care of. I don’t know what the answer is. Maybe there should be some sort of guaranteed income if someone finishes school and attends college or a trade school before having any children. It would be cheaper for society in the long run.


chicken:egg -- You really cannot predict the future.

Also, exactly how are you going to prevent people from having children, especially when portions of the country are forcing people who don't want to have children to have children?
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 15:27     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:I’m a teacher and could think of a few former students this could be. One has a mentally ill parent and another parent truly doing their best but has trauma and PTSD from the other parent. There’s a lack of mental health resources available. And at schools we’re so trauma informed we allow kids to get away with anything. I’ve seen it all in elementary school and the kids just get. a few days suspension to play video games and come back bragging about it.

The real answer to crime is what’s happening at the lower school levels. And that’s a question for city council who has eliminated all disciplinary options.


Agree, interventions need to happen while they are young. Some of these kids need wrap-around services, and when they are in a toxic or dysfunctional home environment, that needs to be dealt with as well. This city seems to spend a boatload of money on things but it's all disjointed and disconnected. I think if someone did a holistic top to bottom, end to end re-examination of how things are being done in this city they'd find there is in fact enough money and resources to tackle some of these problems and to provide the right kinds of services.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 15:26     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“agreed to stay out of Northwest DC”? Is this the criminal justice version of NIMBY? He can be turned loose on society, as long as he doesn’t bother anyone in NW DC? Either he presents a danger to society or he doesn’t (and it appears he does).


Sounds like when someone is banned from a city or county as part of a sentence. Here, it's a neighborhood or area.


Well, if someone is banned from a city or county, it’s because the community doesn’t want them. If the entire community is a neighborhood, like a HOA, then it makes sense to ban someone from the entire neighborhood community.

To my understanding, Northwest DC is not an independent community, but an integral part of DC that should be on an equal basis as the rest of the district. Why is Northwest DC considered a separate community from the rest of DC and why do they deserve more security than the rest of DC? How is this equal justice?


First, NWDC covers most of DC. Second, the judge must have a reason, like, maybe that is the kid's crime "territory" and in other locations he doesn't have the street cred to do the crime; he might be in a gang for all you know. We don't know the judge's reason for attaching a particular area to this kids' behavior.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 15:25     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:


Anonymous wrote:
The 11 year-old pulled a gun on multiple people! Where TF is a 5th grade acquiring a gun?

The mom says he’s on drugs, she thinks he has psychological problems, and she can’t control him.

This kid needs to be sent to a military or remedial boarding school in the depths of Maine or Vermont for a few years to get him sorted out. Along with a full psyche eval and whatever meds are needed.



The kid is obviously a victim himself so sending him to some abusive place will not get him “sorted out” at all. If that crap worked so well we would be doing it with everyone.


This "crap" as you call it, it EXACTLY the type of re-set that middle and upper middle class families do when they have kids going off the rails. Yes, there are some abusive type places in that vein but there are also a lot of good ones. We had an increasingly violent 13 yo whom we had adopted at age 8 out of a trauma background and that was exactly what we did. After a stint in that type of environment, he came home and graduated from high school, attend trade school, and now holds down a good job. Those type of intensive high-structure/high nurture environments are where we need to be sending youthful offenders---not re-releasing them back into the communities without consequences so their behaviors will continue to escalate. But it has to be real therapy along with the intensively structured environment---not just a holding pen "baby" prison where kids can just learn worse behaviors from each other. And along with shipping a kid off to a high structure environment, there needs to be a requirement that the parent/caretaker also participate in intensive therapy and monitoring, so the kid just doesn't relapse into prior behaviors once returned to the home. Are these kinds of environments incredibly expensive to build and maintain? Absolutely. A good one costs as much per kid per year as sending a kid to Harvard. But what we are doing now isn't working.


It sorted my stepdad out. He had gotten in a lot of trouble as a teen and was on a fast track to prison. Instead he was sent into the army and it sorted him out and made him a decent and productive member of society.
Anonymous
Post 07/20/2023 15:23     Subject: Re:Repeat offender at 11 years old
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“agreed to stay out of Northwest DC”? Is this the criminal justice version of NIMBY? He can be turned loose on society, as long as he doesn’t bother anyone in NW DC? Either he presents a danger to society or he doesn’t (and it appears he does).


So it's fine for him to go on crime sprees in NE, SW, and SE? What judge and what prosecutor agreed to that idiocy?


The kid has an ankle tracker. He’s probably not allowed to travel more than a certain radius from home or school. Which effectively means he’s banned from NW if he’s living in SE.

You’re missing the forest for the trees.