Anonymous
Post 07/18/2023 21:53     Subject: Re:Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There’s more discussion of the history here

https://thedcline.org/2019/07/11/nearly-4-years-after-initial-presentation-lady-bird-project-in-au-park-still-struggling-to-take-flight-at-former-superfresh-site/


The fact that this is from 2019 and we're still stuck with an empty lot and store is so sad. I know there was a whole pandemic going on - but still.


It's been vacant since 2013!!
Anonymous
Post 07/18/2023 19:09     Subject: Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
It doesn’t seem like much can be done until the ruling is announced…
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 13:15     Subject: Re:Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Anonymous wrote:There’s more discussion of the history here

https://thedcline.org/2019/07/11/nearly-4-years-after-initial-presentation-lady-bird-project-in-au-park-still-struggling-to-take-flight-at-former-superfresh-site/


The fact that this is from 2019 and we're still stuck with an empty lot and store is so sad. I know there was a whole pandemic going on - but still.
Anonymous
Post 07/17/2023 11:14     Subject: Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
I’m so thankful I moved out of that neighborhood! People are so annoying.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 23:21     Subject: Re:Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
There’s more discussion of the history here

https://thedcline.org/2019/07/11/nearly-4-years-after-initial-presentation-lady-bird-project-in-au-park-still-struggling-to-take-flight-at-former-superfresh-site/
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 23:13     Subject: Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Anonymous wrote:Cleveland Parker checking in -- I know nothing about this neighborhood issue, but the way we moved things over here was with strong and united ANC representation.


I would be so upset if we had people like your ANC reps over there. What a divided neighborhood.

Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 22:28     Subject: Re:Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
These documents were submitted to get ANC approval. Once it was approved, the neighbor group sued.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 21:56     Subject: Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Y’all need to learn your history before you place all blame on the NIMBYs. SuperFresh was essentially pushed out long before anything was ready for redevelopment. The developer also hasn’t been pushing hard to move - I suspect they wanted to ride out the last few years of economic uncertainty before putting money into a new development.

In any event, the developer hasn’t figured out how to prevent a traffic cluster from new residents, and DCPS has no clue about how how it would handle school overcrowding. It’s not as agnostic as some of you seem to believe.


Here is part of the parking plan - https://anc3e.org/wp-content/uploads/Ladybird_PMP_DRAFT_V001.pdf.
All of it can be found on https://anc3e.org/superfresh-redevelopment-ladybird-proposal-by-valor-development/


Have you been attending the meetings? These docs imply that Valor can move forward, but I don’t understand how that interacts with the pending litigation.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 21:53     Subject: Re:Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Anonymous wrote:The Superfresh is in ANC3E - 06, which is represented by Ali Gianinno. Once the Court ruling is released, we can follow-up by attending ANC meetings and emailing the entire ANC 3E - https://anc3e.org/



Oh that may be part of the problem.

“ Gianinno’s straightforward opposition to more density is refreshingly honest. We can’t, however, endorse her for it.”
https://ggwash.org/view/amp/86903
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 21:50     Subject: Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Anonymous wrote:Y’all need to learn your history before you place all blame on the NIMBYs. SuperFresh was essentially pushed out long before anything was ready for redevelopment. The developer also hasn’t been pushing hard to move - I suspect they wanted to ride out the last few years of economic uncertainty before putting money into a new development.

In any event, the developer hasn’t figured out how to prevent a traffic cluster from new residents, and DCPS has no clue about how how it would handle school overcrowding. It’s not as agnostic as some of you seem to believe.


Here is part of the parking plan - https://anc3e.org/wp-content/uploads/Ladybird_PMP_DRAFT_V001.pdf.
All of it can be found on https://anc3e.org/superfresh-redevelopment-ladybird-proposal-by-valor-development/
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 21:50     Subject: Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Anonymous wrote:Cleveland Parker checking in -- I know nothing about this neighborhood issue, but the way we moved things over here was with strong and united ANC representation.


The ANCs supported the Sunrise and Superfresh developments, but that couldn’t stop the litigation. Can you give an example of development in Cleveland Park that moved forward and stuck due to ANC involvement? I’m not aware of any recent density improvements in CP but may have missed something. All I can think of in terms of recent good news is the service lane, but that’s not development.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 21:48     Subject: Re:Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
The Superfresh is in ANC3E - 06, which is represented by Ali Gianinno. Once the Court ruling is released, we can follow-up by attending ANC meetings and emailing the entire ANC 3E - https://anc3e.org/

Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 21:36     Subject: Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Cleveland Parker checking in -- I know nothing about this neighborhood issue, but the way we moved things over here was with strong and united ANC representation.
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 21:29     Subject: Re:Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Exactly! And if the Court's ruling is in favor of the neighbors, Frumin can help push for a new plan so that the lot doesn't continue to sit empty.

No one expects him to attempt to intervene in an Appellate Court, for heaven's sakes!
Anonymous
Post 07/16/2023 21:14     Subject: Superfresh AU Park - Spring Valley
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Y’all need to learn your history before you place all blame on the NIMBYs. SuperFresh was essentially pushed out long before anything was ready for redevelopment. The developer also hasn’t been pushing hard to move - I suspect they wanted to ride out the last few years of economic uncertainty before putting money into a new development.

In any event, the developer hasn’t figured out how to prevent a traffic cluster from new residents, and DCPS has no clue about how how it would handle school overcrowding. It’s not as agnostic as some of you seem to believe.


I am confused then. The development presented it and it was approved by the ANC. They got a raze permit. A group of “neighbors” sued to stop it. It has been in the Court of Appeals for 3 years.
Developers don’t often present and get approval for construction they aren’t going to do.

Does anyone on here have the ear of Frumin? Can you pass along the thread to him?

As previous posted said, some of the groups suing do not even live in DC anymore. If the Court of Appeals sides with the “neighbors”/groups, we will need to push for a new proposal or the site will sit empty for another 10 years.


A councilmember has no power to intervene in a court proceeding. WTF do you people expect him to do?


I’m not PP, but both things are true- Frumin has been vocally supportive of density, and his office could be doing more. Even if he can’t influence the pending litigation, the city council can change laws, influence zoning requirement, etc so that NIMBYs don’t have as many process options to delay and block change.