Anonymous
07/14/2023 10:41
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now they can move haycock students to chesterbrook. It’s very smart to include it and it was insane it wasn’t originally, which is why its inclusion was unanimous
I’m guessing you are the same uninformed person who said the following up thread — “They should include Haycock. Given that Haycock is almost at 100% they could adjust boundaries with Haycock/Chesterbrook. It just didn't get enough votes? This is beyond stupid. Do they have any professionals?”
It is amusing this poster thinks that addressing overcrowding at one school doesn’t necessarily involve other schools. The McLean area is very unbalanced (talking about school populations but I guess also the residents…).
DP, but the overcrowding at KG could be fully addressed without changing the Haycock boundaries. It’s just another option.
Anonymous
07/14/2023 10:31
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Now they can move haycock students to chesterbrook. It’s very smart to include it and it was insane it wasn’t originally, which is why its inclusion was unanimous
I’m guessing you are the same uninformed person who said the following up thread — “They should include Haycock. Given that Haycock is almost at 100% they could adjust boundaries with Haycock/Chesterbrook. It just didn't get enough votes? This is beyond stupid. Do they have any professionals?”
It is amusing this poster thinks that addressing overcrowding at one school doesn’t necessarily involve other schools. The McLean area is very unbalanced (talking about school populations but I guess also the residents…).
Anonymous
07/14/2023 09:47
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:they added haycock to the study.
This is ridiculous. Haycock does not have capacity to take more kids, it’s basically full and there is so much construction that will be adding to the population. Why did this come up at the last minute when only AAP was included before? Other schools have capacity or program changes can be made. Haycock can’t expand its boundaries.
They can move part of KG to Haycock and part of Haycock to Chesterbrook. It’s still part of a strategy to address overcrowding at KG and everyone stays at the same MS/HS.
Not saying they will end up doing it but it at least creates another option.
Anonymous
07/13/2023 23:54
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Now they can move haycock students to chesterbrook. It’s very smart to include it and it was insane it wasn’t originally, which is why its inclusion was unanimous
I’m guessing you are the same uninformed person who said the following up thread — “They should include Haycock. Given that Haycock is almost at 100% they could adjust boundaries with Haycock/Chesterbrook. It just didn't get enough votes? This is beyond stupid. Do they have any professionals?”
Anonymous
07/13/2023 23:49
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Now they can move haycock students to chesterbrook. It’s very smart to include it and it was insane it wasn’t originally, which is why its inclusion was unanimous
This was supposed to be about Kent Gardens. Why are you turning it into a broader boundary change?
Anonymous
07/13/2023 23:47
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Now they can move haycock students to chesterbrook. It’s very smart to include it and it was insane it wasn’t originally, which is why its inclusion was unanimous
Anonymous
07/13/2023 23:42
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:they added haycock to the study.
This is ridiculous. Haycock does not have capacity to take more kids, it’s basically full and there is so much construction that will be adding to the population. Why did this come up at the last minute when only AAP was included before? Other schools have capacity or program changes can be made. Haycock can’t expand its boundaries.
Anonymous
07/13/2023 23:34
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
they added haycock to the study.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 13:52
Subject: Re:Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
The other thing to take into account is all of the infill. A lot of "original" 1950s era houses in the KG zone are regularly torn down, and Church land is getting converted to residential. This also needs to be taken into account when the boundaries are discussed. Changing the boundaries to reflect the enrollment now is great, but we need to go further and estimate that some percentage of new houses will bring students in. It doesn't seem that FCPS connects those dots sometimes.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 08:14
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should include Haycock. Given that Haycock is almost at 100% they could adjust boundaries with Haycock/Chesterbrook. It just didn't get enough votes? This is beyond stupid. Do they have any professionals?
It wasn’t a matter of Board votes. Staff recommended keeping Haycock out of a boundary study, except with respect to possibly AAP assignments (so example they could make Haycock the AAP center option for KG and send Franklin Sherman AAP kids to Churchill Road instead).
The Board will vote on the scope of the boundary study next month. You can take it up with Elaine Tholen before then if you want. But the goal is to address overcrowding at KG, not the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundaries.
I know this and there's a huge chunk of students that live across Kirby that are zoned for KG instead of Haycock. If their objection to moving those kids out of KG is because Haycock might be closer to 100%, that's not OK. They can open the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundary in that case.
It does really seem to me that reasonable and rational boundaries weren't taken into consideration for the selection of schools. Parents voted for FS and Chesterbrook, bc they want their kids there. Do you see any other reasoning in the presentation for how staff selected schools to include? here's a link to the presentation: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/CT5UU77DB47B/$file/Kent%20Gardens%20ES%20School%20Board%20Scope%20Presentation.pdf
FCPS appears to be approaching it as a base school and AAP boundary situation when the elephant in the room is FLI. Current in boundary French Immersion students could be getting Local Level iv at KG. FS transfer data has 23 to CR and 77 to Haycock.
Transfer data has 33 into KG from Mclean pyramid schools.
Marshall pyramid ES might be sending more to KG FLI since the bare minimum is 30. Actual higher than than Mclean or Langley pyramid schools? 37 other ES in multiple pyramids stretching from the far SE and SW corners of FX county and all points in between have students transferring into FLI at KG.
They’ve acknowledged that feedback included adding a second French immersion program in FCPS. They’ve also said that would take years to develop.
Retaining the FLI program at KG while looking at boundaries and out-of-boundary placements is responsive to the community feedback. There are some both within and outside the KG area who want to kill FLI entirely or move the program at KG to another school. There is no consensus, however, for doing so, nor is it necessary given the available capacity at other nearby schools to reduce the overcrowding at KG.
Anonymous
06/28/2023 07:00
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should include Haycock. Given that Haycock is almost at 100% they could adjust boundaries with Haycock/Chesterbrook. It just didn't get enough votes? This is beyond stupid. Do they have any professionals?
It wasn’t a matter of Board votes. Staff recommended keeping Haycock out of a boundary study, except with respect to possibly AAP assignments (so example they could make Haycock the AAP center option for KG and send Franklin Sherman AAP kids to Churchill Road instead).
The Board will vote on the scope of the boundary study next month. You can take it up with Elaine Tholen before then if you want. But the goal is to address overcrowding at KG, not the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundaries.
I know this and there's a huge chunk of students that live across Kirby that are zoned for KG instead of Haycock. If their objection to moving those kids out of KG is because Haycock might be closer to 100%, that's not OK. They can open the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundary in that case.
It does really seem to me that reasonable and rational boundaries weren't taken into consideration for the selection of schools. Parents voted for FS and Chesterbrook, bc they want their kids there. Do you see any other reasoning in the presentation for how staff selected schools to include? here's a link to the presentation: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/CT5UU77DB47B/$file/Kent%20Gardens%20ES%20School%20Board%20Scope%20Presentation.pdf
FCPS appears to be approaching it as a base school and AAP boundary situation when the elephant in the room is FLI. Current in boundary French Immersion students could be getting Local Level iv at KG. FS transfer data has 23 to CR and 77 to Haycock.
Transfer data has 33 into KG from Mclean pyramid schools.
Marshall pyramid ES might be sending more to KG FLI since the bare minimum is 30. Actual higher than than Mclean or Langley pyramid schools? 37 other ES in multiple pyramids stretching from the far SE and SW corners of FX county and all points in between have students transferring into FLI at KG.
Anonymous
06/27/2023 14:12
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should include Haycock. Given that Haycock is almost at 100% they could adjust boundaries with Haycock/Chesterbrook. It just didn't get enough votes? This is beyond stupid. Do they have any professionals?
It wasn’t a matter of Board votes. Staff recommended keeping Haycock out of a boundary study, except with respect to possibly AAP assignments (so example they could make Haycock the AAP center option for KG and send Franklin Sherman AAP kids to Churchill Road instead).
The Board will vote on the scope of the boundary study next month. You can take it up with Elaine Tholen before then if you want. But the goal is to address overcrowding at KG, not the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundaries.
I know this and there's a huge chunk of students that live across Kirby that are zoned for KG instead of Haycock. If their objection to moving those kids out of KG is because Haycock might be closer to 100%, that's not OK. They can open the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundary in that case.
It does really seem to me that reasonable and rational boundaries weren't taken into consideration for the selection of schools. Parents voted for FS and Chesterbrook, bc they want their kids there. Do you see any other reasoning in the presentation for how staff selected schools to include? here's a link to the presentation: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/CT5UU77DB47B/$file/Kent%20Gardens%20ES%20School%20Board%20Scope%20Presentation.pdf
FS and Chesterbrook have more projected excess capacity than Haycock, Lemon Road, and Westgate. That’s clear from the presentation.
It certainly wouldn’t be crazy, though, to move part of KG near Kirby to Haycock, and part of Haycock to Chesterbrook.
Lemon Road and Westgate will have to handle more Tysons growth, especially Westgate, so moving KG kids there objectively seems like a bad idea.
Not saying it isn’t true, but the projections for lemon road and west gate do not match this narrative. Those schools are projected to have less demand on capacity over the next 5 years.
Yeah, they do. Five-year projections excluding modulars have Chesterbrook at 64% and FS at 82% vs 86% at each of Lemon Road and Westgate and 92% at Haycock. And the longer-term projections in the CIP still don’t factor in some of the Tysons growth that will feed into Westgate and to a lesser extent Lemon Road.
Anonymous
06/27/2023 13:50
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should include Haycock. Given that Haycock is almost at 100% they could adjust boundaries with Haycock/Chesterbrook. It just didn't get enough votes? This is beyond stupid. Do they have any professionals?
It wasn’t a matter of Board votes. Staff recommended keeping Haycock out of a boundary study, except with respect to possibly AAP assignments (so example they could make Haycock the AAP center option for KG and send Franklin Sherman AAP kids to Churchill Road instead).
The Board will vote on the scope of the boundary study next month. You can take it up with Elaine Tholen before then if you want. But the goal is to address overcrowding at KG, not the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundaries.
I know this and there's a huge chunk of students that live across Kirby that are zoned for KG instead of Haycock. If their objection to moving those kids out of KG is because Haycock might be closer to 100%, that's not OK. They can open the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundary in that case.
It does really seem to me that reasonable and rational boundaries weren't taken into consideration for the selection of schools. Parents voted for FS and Chesterbrook, bc they want their kids there. Do you see any other reasoning in the presentation for how staff selected schools to include? here's a link to the presentation: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/CT5UU77DB47B/$file/Kent%20Gardens%20ES%20School%20Board%20Scope%20Presentation.pdf
FS and Chesterbrook have more projected excess capacity than Haycock, Lemon Road, and Westgate. That’s clear from the presentation.
It certainly wouldn’t be crazy, though, to move part of KG near Kirby to Haycock, and part of Haycock to Chesterbrook.
Lemon Road and Westgate will have to handle more Tysons growth, especially Westgate, so moving KG kids there objectively seems like a bad idea.
Not saying it isn’t true, but the projections for lemon road and west gate do not match this narrative. Those schools are projected to have less demand on capacity over the next 5 years.
Anonymous
06/27/2023 12:51
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should include Haycock. Given that Haycock is almost at 100% they could adjust boundaries with Haycock/Chesterbrook. It just didn't get enough votes? This is beyond stupid. Do they have any professionals?
It wasn’t a matter of Board votes. Staff recommended keeping Haycock out of a boundary study, except with respect to possibly AAP assignments (so example they could make Haycock the AAP center option for KG and send Franklin Sherman AAP kids to Churchill Road instead).
The Board will vote on the scope of the boundary study next month. You can take it up with Elaine Tholen before then if you want. But the goal is to address overcrowding at KG, not the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundaries.
I know this and there's a huge chunk of students that live across Kirby that are zoned for KG instead of Haycock. If their objection to moving those kids out of KG is because Haycock might be closer to 100%, that's not OK. They can open the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundary in that case.
It does really seem to me that reasonable and rational boundaries weren't taken into consideration for the selection of schools. Parents voted for FS and Chesterbrook, bc they want their kids there. Do you see any other reasoning in the presentation for how staff selected schools to include? here's a link to the presentation: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/CT5UU77DB47B/$file/Kent%20Gardens%20ES%20School%20Board%20Scope%20Presentation.pdf
FS and Chesterbrook have more projected excess capacity than Haycock, Lemon Road, and Westgate. That’s clear from the presentation.
It certainly wouldn’t be crazy, though, to move part of KG near Kirby to Haycock, and part of Haycock to Chesterbrook.
Lemon Road and Westgate will have to handle more Tysons growth, especially Westgate, so moving KG kids there objectively seems like a bad idea.
Anonymous
06/27/2023 12:43
Subject: Where should the county move the Kent Gardens kids?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:They should include Haycock. Given that Haycock is almost at 100% they could adjust boundaries with Haycock/Chesterbrook. It just didn't get enough votes? This is beyond stupid. Do they have any professionals?
It wasn’t a matter of Board votes. Staff recommended keeping Haycock out of a boundary study, except with respect to possibly AAP assignments (so example they could make Haycock the AAP center option for KG and send Franklin Sherman AAP kids to Churchill Road instead).
The Board will vote on the scope of the boundary study next month. You can take it up with Elaine Tholen before then if you want. But the goal is to address overcrowding at KG, not the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundaries.
I know this and there's a huge chunk of students that live across Kirby that are zoned for KG instead of Haycock. If their objection to moving those kids out of KG is because Haycock might be closer to 100%, that's not OK. They can open the Haycock/Chesterbrook boundary in that case.
It does really seem to me that reasonable and rational boundaries weren't taken into consideration for the selection of schools. Parents voted for FS and Chesterbrook, bc they want their kids there. Do you see any other reasoning in the presentation for how staff selected schools to include? here's a link to the presentation: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/CT5UU77DB47B/$file/Kent%20Gardens%20ES%20School%20Board%20Scope%20Presentation.pdf
Of course they wouldn't want to go to lemon road or westgage but that's where they should go, we'll see how this plays out will the woke school board support diversity and put kent gardens in westgate and lemon road which has capacity or bow to the parents trying to move their kids to the better sherman and chesterbrook schools.
I don’t think any of the KG kids would get moved to those schools really. Just to haycock. And some haycock kids go to lemon or chesterbrook.