Anonymous
06/26/2023 19:33
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:No they can’t. That is not owned by the school system and is part of the stormwater management plan.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
That was already pointed out by other posters, nor is it necessary as part of an expansion.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 19:23
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
No they can’t. That is not owned by the school system and is part of the stormwater management plan.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 18:59
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
Justice HS, which is less overcrowded than McLean and on less land, is getting expanded to 2500 seats outside the queue. They have lobbied FCPS to build a parking garage to compensate for some of the parking they’ll lose, but that’s expensive and I don’t think FCPS will do it. Maybe more kids will need to take the bus.
In McLean’s case, it could expand to 2500 permanent seats without using adjacent land. Replacing the trailers and modular with vertical, permanent seats might even give some land back. I also believe the adjacent land is protected by the park authority.
Montgomery and Arlington counties have three story high schools. It’s more or less the suburban norm. With a partial third story, McLean could expand vertically to 2500 students. Then no parking or parkland is lost.
+1.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 18:58
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
Honestly. Do you want schools that big? I know of some huge 5,000 kid schools that existed not that long before my high school years. Think of trying to make teams or get leadership opportunities with that many kids competing for them. Be careful what you wish for.
I bet even an expansion won’t satisfy McLean Mom.
In case you haven’t noticed, there are a number of us explaining why an addition is needed. If you want to know if that will satisfy some of us, build the addition and then we can find out.
Until then, threads suggesting that we “zip it” because they’re doing some basic maintenance over the summer that won’t add any seats will be met with the response you already know to expect.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 18:44
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
Honestly. Do you want schools that big? I know of some huge 5,000 kid schools that existed not that long before my high school years. Think of trying to make teams or get leadership opportunities with that many kids competing for them. Be careful what you wish for.
I bet even an expansion won’t satisfy McLean Mom.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 15:37
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
Justice HS, which is less overcrowded than McLean and on less land, is getting expanded to 2500 seats outside the queue. They have lobbied FCPS to build a parking garage to compensate for some of the parking they’ll lose, but that’s expensive and I don’t think FCPS will do it. Maybe more kids will need to take the bus.
In McLean’s case, it could expand to 2500 permanent seats without using adjacent land. Replacing the trailers and modular with vertical, permanent seats might even give some land back. I also believe the adjacent land is protected by the park authority.
Montgomery and Arlington counties have three story high schools. It’s more or less the suburban norm. With a partial third story, McLean could expand vertically to 2500 students. Then no parking or parkland is lost.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 15:18
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
I'd much rather that FCPS become smart and efficient with their facilities as opposed to building costly larger and larger buildings.
There’s nothing especially smart about one of the high schools that will see the most growth from ongoing and nearby development stuck with the fewest permanent seats of any county high school, trailers, and a cheap modular. Cheap maybe, but not smart, and certainly not aligned with the BOS plans for Tysons, West Falls Church, and downtown McLean.
But, again, if you don’t want larger buildings, demand that the School Board kill the Justice addition and Centreville expansion first (unless of course your real agenda is just to keep neglecting McLean).
Anonymous
06/26/2023 15:11
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
I'd much rather that FCPS become smart and efficient with their facilities as opposed to building costly larger and larger buildings.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 15:02
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
Justice HS, which is less overcrowded than McLean and on less land, is getting expanded to 2500 seats outside the queue. They have lobbied FCPS to build a parking garage to compensate for some of the parking they’ll lose, but that’s expensive and I don’t think FCPS will do it. Maybe more kids will need to take the bus.
In McLean’s case, it could expand to 2500 permanent seats without using adjacent land. Replacing the trailers and modular with vertical, permanent seats might even give some land back. I also believe the adjacent land is protected by the park authority.
Kids can park in neighborhoods. Schools can tell them not to and residents can complain, but the streets are public and the schools have no power.
That’s true. In Justice’s case, part of the impetus was apparently coming from staff who didn’t want to park further from the building.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 14:50
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
Justice HS, which is less overcrowded than McLean and on less land, is getting expanded to 2500 seats outside the queue. They have lobbied FCPS to build a parking garage to compensate for some of the parking they’ll lose, but that’s expensive and I don’t think FCPS will do it. Maybe more kids will need to take the bus.
In McLean’s case, it could expand to 2500 permanent seats without using adjacent land. Replacing the trailers and modular with vertical, permanent seats might even give some land back. I also believe the adjacent land is protected by the park authority.
Kids can park in neighborhoods. Schools can tell them not to and residents can complain, but the streets are public and the schools have no power
Anonymous
06/26/2023 14:49
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
Justice HS, which is less overcrowded than McLean and on less land, is getting expanded to 2500 seats outside the queue. They have lobbied FCPS to build a parking garage to compensate for some of the parking they’ll lose, but that’s expensive and I don’t think FCPS will do it. Maybe more kids will need to take the bus.
In McLean’s case, it could expand to 2500 permanent seats without using adjacent land. Replacing the trailers and modular with vertical, permanent seats might even give some land back. I also believe the adjacent land is protected by the park authority.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 14:38
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
lol, no.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 14:32
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
In neighboring districts, some new schools have an underground parking component, or an at grade parking lot but below the school building, which would be supported by columns. McLean HS can also expand into the adjacent forest. The lost trees could be replanted elsewhere in the county to offset the loss of green space and carbon emissions.
FCPS could easily grow McLean to a capacity of 2750 or so. Tysons area growth will explode over the next 20 years with dense affordable and market rate housing. I don’t think McLean HS can wait until 2050 for its next major renovation/expansion.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 14:16
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
Each of Justice HS and Madison HS has less acreage and parking than McLean HS and received or is receiving a permanent addition. McLean has fewer than 2000 permanent seats now. Expanding the permanent seats to 2500 like Justice and Madison is needed to accommodate the current enrollment (around 2450). That would not foreclose future boundary changes - in particular, with all the slated development in Tysons, West Falls Church, and downtown McLean that would feed into McLean, there’s a good chance the Timber Lane island that currently attends Longfellow/McLean will get moved to Jackson/Falls Church once the FCHS renovation is finished.
They really need a multi-pronged approach given all the development. One necessary component is a permanent addition.
^ This.
Anonymous
06/26/2023 14:12
Subject: McLean HS getting maintenance
Anonymous wrote:I thought McLean high school shouldn’t really get an addition because there really isn’t enough parking as is. They can’t expand the area around the school.
They should keep the school the same size and move some more of the kids out to other schools.
Exactly.