Anonymous
Post 06/16/2023 08:08     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
Anonymous wrote:Yikes, that doesn't seem right. Either give people the day off or let them come in to work.
I guess the question is whether other holidays are treated similarly. For example, do you have to use a vacation day if Christmas or New Years' day falls on a weekday?


The answer to that is generally yes. Usually it’s the holidays like Veteran’s Day or Columbus day that you are forced to take PTO.

It’s up to the federal agency whether contractors can come in or not.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 23:47     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
Anonymous wrote:Contractor here being forced to use one of my vacation days for Juneteenth they can't/ won't bill for overhead. Anyone else in this situation. It's pretty messed up since I want to pick what I use my own earned vacation for.


I don’t get it. Many of us work and many day camps still have the kids that date. It’s it super close to the 4-5 day long Fourth of July weekend?
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 07:59     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
Yikes, that doesn't seem right. Either give people the day off or let them come in to work.
I guess the question is whether other holidays are treated similarly. For example, do you have to use a vacation day if Christmas or New Years' day falls on a weekday?
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 07:55     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
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Anonymous wrote:Why not just get a federal job if this bothers you so much? If you still want the job you have, well you’ve answered your own question.


Yeah, don’t fed contractors make 30% more than an equivalent fed employee? Either become a fed for lower pay or keep your contracting job, stop complaining.


A lot of contractors would prefer to be feds. For some, there aren't feds doing what we're doing. And the salary comparison obviously has a lot of variation. I've been both and I think it's needlessly demoralizing when companies do this.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 07:26     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
I’m not a contractor, I work for government and it’s a holiday for us. I’ll get double time and a half except I take hours not money. So I’ll work 12 and bank 18 for another time.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 07:10     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
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Anonymous wrote:It’s not like it’s an important holiday. It’s a new one and hardly anyone celebrates it


Tell me you are white and uneducated without telling me you are white and uneducated.

It's a very old holiday and lots of people celebrate it. What's new is that it is now a federal holiday.


DP here. My issue with Juneteenth is it has little relevance at the national level. It celebrates the end of slavery in Texas, when Major General Granger signed an order freeing slaves in Texas specifically.

I'm all for a national holiday to celebrate the end of slavery, but then let's choose a date with national not Texas-only significance. How about September 22, the day Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation?


No, it celebrates the *end* of *slavery* -- we're not free until we're all free.


Then is should be December 6. That is when the 13th Amendment was ratified, ending slavery in the US. That took place a few months after Granger signed the order in Texas.


I would much rather have a vacation in mid-June than September or December. there are a million reasons you can justify a particular date. but for me, it is most important that I can spend it in the pool.


I think this is one reason why they picked Juneteenth rather than some other date. It is much more useful to people during the summer months. Once feds started getting that day off I scheduled my summer vacations that week so I didn't have to use as much time off.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 07:06     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
Anonymous wrote:It is not a real holiday. You should not have to burn a vacation day. I would demand you want to work or get the day off.


not a real holiday? wow. I would much rather celebrate Juneteenth than crazy Columbus.

And it is sucky that your employer is making you use a vacation day for this.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 07:04     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
my private company gave everyone the day off.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 06:42     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
Anonymous wrote:Why not just get a federal job if this bothers you so much? If you still want the job you have, well you’ve answered your own question.


Yeah, don’t fed contractors make 30% more than an equivalent fed employee? Either become a fed for lower pay or keep your contracting job, stop complaining.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 06:37     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
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Anonymous wrote:It’s not like it’s an important holiday. It’s a new one and hardly anyone celebrates it


Tell me you are white and uneducated without telling me you are white and uneducated.

It's a very old holiday and lots of people celebrate it. What's new is that it is now a federal holiday.


DP here. My issue with Juneteenth is it has little relevance at the national level. It celebrates the end of slavery in Texas, when Major General Granger signed an order freeing slaves in Texas specifically.

I'm all for a national holiday to celebrate the end of slavery, but then let's choose a date with national not Texas-only significance. How about September 22, the day Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation?


No, it celebrates the *end* of *slavery* -- we're not free until we're all free.


Then is should be December 6. That is when the 13th Amendment was ratified, ending slavery in the US. That took place a few months after Granger signed the order in Texas.


I would much rather have a vacation in mid-June than September or December. there are a million reasons you can justify a particular date. but for me, it is most important that I can spend it in the pool.
Anonymous
Post 06/15/2023 06:22     Subject: Re:Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
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Anonymous wrote:Why wouldn't you use a vacation day for that? Most companies don't give you every federal holiday off like the feds. I don't understand what's messed up.


Maybe because she is being forced to take the day off and doesn't want to?

Maybe that is the norm in contractors but it seems like they need to align their holiday schedule with the clients rather than make employees take a forced vacation day.


Large government contractors are their own entities with hundreds of clients. They can't align with everyone. Some companies with enough employees with have an onsite training day, some will give them proposal work, some will just charge overhead, and some will make them take personal days. It depends on the company, and on the individual's supervisor at their compay.


But. If their one client is the federal government and the federal government declares Juneteenth a holiday, why can't they align their schedule?
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2023 22:11     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
I'm a teacher. We don't get any vacation days other than what is prescribed. It's not that unusual.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2023 20:34     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
Why not just get a federal job if this bothers you so much? If you still want the job you have, well you’ve answered your own question.
Anonymous
Post 06/14/2023 14:55     Subject: Anyone else being forced to use a vacation day or Juneteenth?
Anonymous wrote:It is not a real holiday. You should not have to burn a vacation day. I would demand you want to work or get the day off.


They have said no already. If they continue to say no and you continue to demand, do you just start shooting at some point, or what?