Anonymous
06/04/2023 13:06
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.
Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.
I think your last sentence is true of many conservatives and liberals. You think liberals would be okay if a school started teaching creationism?
+1000
Liberals have their own "controlling criteria."
You're equating actually teaching a non- science fairy tale in a classroom to having books available in the library? Do you hear yourself?
The fact that you don’t even see the irony in your statement speaks volumes. Tell us: what is transgenderism if not a “non-science fairy tale”?? Good grief.
Anonymous
06/04/2023 06:42
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?
Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.
So younger kids are banned from reading them?
Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.
LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.
Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?
If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.
What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/
Educate yourself.
It sounds like a book about how sex works except it specifically talks about how gay sex works. So?
Anonymous
06/04/2023 06:18
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?
Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.
So younger kids are banned from reading them?
Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.
LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.
Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?
If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.
You need to stop with easy, low hanging fruit, because you know darned well that the removal of libraries has gone far beyond these books. It's disingenuous to pretend otherwise
Anonymous
06/04/2023 06:16
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.
Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.
I think your last sentence is true of many conservatives and liberals. You think liberals would be okay if a school started teaching creationism?
+1000
Liberals have their own "controlling criteria."
You're equating actually teaching a non- science fairy tale in a classroom to having books available in the library? Do you hear yourself?
Anonymous
06/04/2023 00:40
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
I think it's laughable that parents are this concerned about library books when their kids are looking at God knows what on the web.
It's all performative; I think the Bible is fine for schools, but if everyone evangelical has to be performative, why not act to ban it? The right wing gets what they want, except they don't realize they are giving up their freedoms to "own the libs".
It's all performative; I think the Bible is fine for schools, but if everyone evangelical has to be performative, why not act to ban it? The right wing gets what they want, except they don't realize they are giving up their freedoms to "own the libs".
Anonymous
06/04/2023 00:05
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.
Right. Because you think today’s kids who are practically born with a smartphone in their hands can’t figure out how to access porn or Grindr on their own? What century are you living in?
There’s a difference between what they find on their own and what is provided to them by people in positions of authority like their school. Those books would not be tolerated on my desk in my workplace. Why are they in our schools?
The point is, your kids are going to be exposed to this stuff whether you like it or not. You can keep porn off your desk, but your kids will see porn somehow and somewhere. The least of your concerns should be some book written by a gay guy detailing his struggles as a gay man.
Anonymous
06/03/2023 23:22
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?
Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.
So younger kids are banned from reading them?
Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.
LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.
Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?
If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.
+1 I truly don't understand how as a society we got to a place where I have to defend the idea school libraries aren't the place for graphic novels depicting oral sex. It should be a nonstarter for those books to be included, whether it's gay or straight sex.
I also actually do agree with removing the Bible from elementary schools. There's some crazy stuff in there and it's not appropriate for that age group.
+1
+100
I have no real opinion about the Bible being available in elementary schools, but if it makes the LWNJ crowd happy to ban it, then so be it.
Anonymous
06/03/2023 23:20
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?
Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.
So younger kids are banned from reading them?
Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.
LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.
Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?
If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.
What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/tampa-school-sex-book/
Educate yourself.
Anonymous
06/03/2023 23:18
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?
Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.
So younger kids are banned from reading them?
Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.
LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.
Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?
If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.
What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??
Yes, I have. Clearly, you haven't - or else you think instructions on how to give a good hand job (complete with graphics and graphic language) is appropriate for middle schoolers?
Anonymous
06/03/2023 22:37
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.
Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.
Are you saying that you don’t want to control what your kids have access to?
If I filled your kids’ school library with books like Mein Kampf, the Turner Diaries, Unintended Consequences, and biblical tracts, would you be all right with that?
DP I'd have no problem with a high school class that read these books analytically to teach kids how to spot misinformation, propaganda, anti-semitism, etc. Critical reading skills are very important, as are media interpretation skills. I had a history class in college where we read excerpts of Mein Kampf. You can't understand something by ignoring it.
And seeing how I grew up watching all sorts of risque movies in the 1980s, I don't know what the big deal is about high schoolers reading Gender Queer, which isn't anywhere near as graphic as some of those 80s and 90s films.
I also used to read lots of romance novels as a teen and plenty of those are extremely steamy. And what about the Judy Blume books??
+1.
Every single post trotting out Gender Queer or similar books ignores when it's pointed out that these books weren't in elementary schools. They are in some highschools and I think that's fine. Yes, they have pictures - because graphic novels are a popular genre now - but so what? Are pictures that different from say, words, in effect? Are pictures WORSE than words? I think men might say yes, but as a woman, I say no.
Anonymous
06/03/2023 22:17
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.
Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.
I think your last sentence is true of many conservatives and liberals. You think liberals would be okay if a school started teaching creationism?
I am a liberal. I would have zero issues with a book of creationism in my kid’s library. So long as it was no being presented as science, and it was shelved with the myths or world philosophies or whatever, I would wholeheartedly support this. I do not support nook banning.
That is entirely different than what is being taught in schools and what is on the curriculum. I would have a problem with creationism or religion being taught. They can certainly be discussed in the appropriate classes, though.
“Control of kids” for us comes from many many hours spent talking about world view. I believe my kids know what we think. They should be free to come to terms with what they believe and part of that is access to books and media. I do not wish to control that even if my non Christian kid picks up a Bible and becomes some sort of charismatic Christian.
“As long as I can control exactly where those books are and how they are categorized, they are fine with me.”
Yeah. I do believe we should make sure that kids have context (creationism is not science). But I don’t think we should censor their reading material.
Anonymous
06/03/2023 22:16
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If this keeps books with images of sex acts or instructions on how to get on Grindr out of our schools, I’m perfectly fine with it.
Frankly, if my HS age son is reading lewd books rather than perusing the internet, I would call that a win. Honestly in today’s society kids have basically open access to the internet. Or peer shared material. Just be honest - conservative parents want to control the information their kids have access to/learn.
I think your last sentence is true of many conservatives and liberals. You think liberals would be okay if a school started teaching creationism?
I am a liberal. I would have zero issues with a book of creationism in my kid’s library. So long as it was no being presented as science, and it was shelved with the myths or world philosophies or whatever, I would wholeheartedly support this. I do not support nook banning.
That is entirely different than what is being taught in schools and what is on the curriculum. I would have a problem with creationism or religion being taught. They can certainly be discussed in the appropriate classes, though.
“Control of kids” for us comes from many many hours spent talking about world view. I believe my kids know what we think. They should be free to come to terms with what they believe and part of that is access to books and media. I do not wish to control that even if my non Christian kid picks up a Bible and becomes some sort of charismatic Christian.
NP. Speaking as a liberal, you sound low IQed and so full of sh-t that it’s coming out of your ears. If your child became a fundamentalist, pro-life Neo-Nazi determined to repeal thr 19th amendment and stamp trans ideology out of society, the only way you wouldn’t crap a brick and go to work attacking his views is if you’re a racist, woman-hating fool yourself. This whole pretense by some of the clowns on our side that you don’t care how your kids end up and all you want is for them to have access to information is just stupid and buffoonish.
My kid is not going to become the bolded above because he has access to books in the school library. I am really really not worried about it. I worry deeply about my kid turns out. There is no chance that access to books in the school library - no matter what the book - is going to do anything other than make him more curious about the world around him. I read a ton of stuff as a kid and I have no interest in censoring my kid.
Anonymous
06/03/2023 22:15
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?
Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.
So younger kids are banned from reading them?
Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.
LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.
Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?
If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.
What is wrong with This Book is Gay? Have you ever read it??
Anonymous
06/03/2023 21:52
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?
Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.
So younger kids are banned from reading them?
Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.
LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.
Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?
If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.
+1 I truly don't understand how as a society we got to a place where I have to defend the idea school libraries aren't the place for graphic novels depicting oral sex. It should be a nonstarter for those books to be included, whether it's gay or straight sex.
I also actually do agree with removing the Bible from elementary schools. There's some crazy stuff in there and it's not appropriate for that age group.
+1
Anonymous
06/03/2023 21:48
Subject: Utah elementary and middle schools ban the Bible for "vulgarity and violence"
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why do people here keep referring to “book bans” when what has happened is that a book is age-limited. Is this some political styling to score points against your adversaries or do you sincerely not know what the word “ban” means?
Precisely this. No books have been banned. They are placed only in age-appropriate settings. Huge difference.
So younger kids are banned from reading them?
Don't you worry, your kids will have all the lewd, pornographic books they can get their hands on once they reach high school. Maybe even middle school. Or, you know, feel free to buy them yourself and have a really wholesome story hour with your own kids. Knock yourself out.
LOL that you think the books being pulled from schools are "pornographic." I mean yes, the Bible does have some pretty sexualized stuff in it for sure.
Did you keep your kids from PG movies until they were 18?
If you think Gender Queer, Lawn Boy, This Book is Gay, etc. are the equivalent of PG, then we have nothing further to discuss.
+1 I truly don't understand how as a society we got to a place where I have to defend the idea school libraries aren't the place for graphic novels depicting oral sex. It should be a nonstarter for those books to be included, whether it's gay or straight sex.
I also actually do agree with removing the Bible from elementary schools. There's some crazy stuff in there and it's not appropriate for that age group.