Anonymous
05/22/2023 13:41
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:I live in Florida. When DeSantis was first elected governor - it was a REALLY close election over Andrew Gillum. Now, re election was different -Charlie Crist didn't even try IMO
Yes, a lot has changed since 2018. I really thought (and hoped) Gillum would win that election. Events since then have shown he wasn't the greatest candidate despite appearing to be so then, but then same is true for DeSantis for many of us. Crist was a weak candidate, not too many strong Dems coming out of the woodwork in Florida unfortunately. I'm not sure what to be more afraid of, that DeSantis actually makes a successful run at the presidency or who would replace him if he does, or the third fear is of course that he continues to be governor.
There is so much to like about living in Florida but current political trends are not one of them.
Anonymous
05/22/2023 13:33
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
I live in Florida. When DeSantis was first elected governor - it was a REALLY close election over Andrew Gillum. Now, re election was different -Charlie Crist didn't even try IMO
Anonymous
05/21/2023 20:59
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not only will I never live in FL, now I will not visit. Thankfully, college age kids are past the theme park age, because I don't want one cent of our money supporting the crazy politics in FL
I am the OP - and honestly I don't blame you. If Florida were as crazy as it is now, when we moved here, we wouldn't have moved here. Now we own a house, and have community - and we're just trying to fight. But we wouldn't move here today, if we were picking a new place to live. Even though we love where we are. I have a trans niece who's just a kid, and I don't even know if it's safe for her to visit me here anymore. Luckily we don't have kids in school so we don't have to worry - for ourselves - about those being destroyed.
But yeah. Please make sure you say out loud why you won't come here. Make sure that businesses here know they are missing out on your tourist dollars because our craven governor is pursuing his culture wars so madly.
All these other posters make it seem like Florida is this great, sane place. If so, how in the world is it electing people and passing the public policies that it is, and banning books, etc.?
Anonymous
05/21/2023 20:51
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m in south fla and moved here recently from dc. I still read dcum to stay up on local current events. I find fla incredibly congested, housing/insurance expensive + can be extremely hot. I am not the fastest driver so I need to pick up the speed.
I am a Democrat, but haven’t felt the knives yet and am surprised how nice people can be. Not a conservative, classic and polite crowd like there but still friendly and welcoming. It is sad to read how many people disparage Florida, I’m here!
Looking for my crowd still.
conservative classic manne
I lived in what I think was a pretty moderate part of Florida.
I think what people miss about Florida is that it’s been a place where messed up people go to escape from themselves. They often present themselves as staid conservative Bible thumpers but often have LGBTQ, alcoholic, schizotypal or bipolar skeletons in the closet, and they live in places where the ocean opens up and swallows everything every 50 years or so.
So, it’s a place for people who either live for today, or don’t know that any other day exists, or who hide in their citrus groves with their Land Rovers.
Stereotypes that I do not find to be true but perhaps we see what we want to see, meaning perhaps you or perhaps me.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 20:22
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Libs hate Florida because people are happy.
I’m a lib in FL and I think the country is going to be surprised at how purple FL is becoming. We are moving into this beautiful sunshine and bringing change. We are not loud or boisterous (think crazies with guns). Jacksonville just elected its first female democratic mayor. There is a strong sense of hate for damnyankees and FL culture doesn’t take too kindly to us folk. Florida man is a real thing. We are about to start open carry. DeSantis is the second coming of Hitler. Many worship him. He’s obsessed with sexual orientation (are you thinking what I’m thinking? Poor confused child) He’s even getting into a di<k measuring contest with a mouse. Lots of crazy, insecure, uneducated people. But things are changing. I have hope. I also have no bumper stickers on my car.
according to whom? Where is your evidence for this? People always say this, but Florida has been moving rapidly to the right in recent years. DeSantis won by .4% in 2018. In 2022? 19 points. In 2016, Trump won the state by 1.3 points. In 2020, it was 3.3. I guess the Jacksonville mayor is one data point, but other than that...I'm not seeing it. We've been hearing about the "blueification" of FL (and TX!) for years- changing demographics, more transplants, etc. but it really hasn't panned out.
Never understood why people automatically equate transplants with a state becoming more liberal. Just because someone is from "up north" doesn't mean they're liberal necessarily. Many transplants are older, and old people tend to be more conservative. And my anecdotal experience is that the families that are moving down there from the NE tend to be more conservative and are trying to leave their liberal home states--so if anything, I'd say the "great migration" from up north down to FL has been a key contributor to the state becoming more conservative.
I believe it was in 2020 that there was a poll in TX that showed the voting patterns of transplants vs. native Texans. The transplants voted much more Republican. Which matches my own anecdotal experience, everyone I know who left CA for TX was doing so because they wanted to get away from the liberalism of CA and be among "like" people.
You make some good points. Do you think Virginia is turning red?
https://www.cnn.com/election/2021/results/virginia/governor
No, one election does not a trend make.
She thinks she's very clever. let her have her moment.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 20:22
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Libs hate Florida because people are happy.
I’m a lib in FL and I think the country is going to be surprised at how purple FL is becoming. We are moving into this beautiful sunshine and bringing change. We are not loud or boisterous (think crazies with guns). Jacksonville just elected its first female democratic mayor. There is a strong sense of hate for damnyankees and FL culture doesn’t take too kindly to us folk. Florida man is a real thing. We are about to start open carry. DeSantis is the second coming of Hitler. Many worship him. He’s obsessed with sexual orientation (are you thinking what I’m thinking? Poor confused child) He’s even getting into a di<k measuring contest with a mouse. Lots of crazy, insecure, uneducated people. But things are changing. I have hope. I also have no bumper stickers on my car.
according to whom? Where is your evidence for this? People always say this, but Florida has been moving rapidly to the right in recent years. DeSantis won by .4% in 2018. In 2022? 19 points. In 2016, Trump won the state by 1.3 points. In 2020, it was 3.3. I guess the Jacksonville mayor is one data point, but other than that...I'm not seeing it. We've been hearing about the "blueification" of FL (and TX!) for years- changing demographics, more transplants, etc. but it really hasn't panned out.
Never understood why people automatically equate transplants with a state becoming more liberal. Just because someone is from "up north" doesn't mean they're liberal necessarily. Many transplants are older, and old people tend to be more conservative. And my anecdotal experience is that the families that are moving down there from the NE tend to be more conservative and are trying to leave their liberal home states--so if anything, I'd say the "great migration" from up north down to FL has been a key contributor to the state becoming more conservative.
I believe it was in 2020 that there was a poll in TX that showed the voting patterns of transplants vs. native Texans. The transplants voted much more Republican. Which matches my own anecdotal experience, everyone I know who left CA for TX was doing so because they wanted to get away from the liberalism of CA and be among "like" people.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3998391-how-florida-became-a-conservative-bastion/
+1
Yep. Most of the people moving to Florida are Republicans.
"Estimates released by the Census Bureau in December showed that, for the first time since 1957, Florida became the fastest-growing state in the country, netting more than 400,000 new residents in the year between July 2021 and July 2022.
Those new arrivals, said Susan MacManus, a professional emeritus at the University of South Florida who specializes in Florida politics, have tilted heavily Republican.
During the pandemic, nearly 394,000 new voters moved into Florida, and nearly half of them — 46 percent — registered with the GOP, according to voter data from L2, a data vendor. Only about 23 percent registered to vote as Democrats.
Meanwhile, Florida’s electorate was shifting from within. Between January 2021 and September 2022, nearly 550,000 Florida voters changed their party affiliation, according to an analysis of state voter data by MacManus and her associates. Voters left the Democratic Party at nearly twice the rate as they left the GOP."
Anonymous
05/21/2023 20:20
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Libs hate Florida because people are happy.
I’m a lib in FL and I think the country is going to be surprised at how purple FL is becoming. We are moving into this beautiful sunshine and bringing change. We are not loud or boisterous (think crazies with guns). Jacksonville just elected its first female democratic mayor. There is a strong sense of hate for damnyankees and FL culture doesn’t take too kindly to us folk. Florida man is a real thing. We are about to start open carry. DeSantis is the second coming of Hitler. Many worship him. He’s obsessed with sexual orientation (are you thinking what I’m thinking? Poor confused child) He’s even getting into a di<k measuring contest with a mouse. Lots of crazy, insecure, uneducated people. But things are changing. I have hope. I also have no bumper stickers on my car.
according to whom? Where is your evidence for this? People always say this, but Florida has been moving rapidly to the right in recent years. DeSantis won by .4% in 2018. In 2022? 19 points. In 2016, Trump won the state by 1.3 points. In 2020, it was 3.3. I guess the Jacksonville mayor is one data point, but other than that...I'm not seeing it. We've been hearing about the "blueification" of FL (and TX!) for years- changing demographics, more transplants, etc. but it really hasn't panned out.
Never understood why people automatically equate transplants with a state becoming more liberal. Just because someone is from "up north" doesn't mean they're liberal necessarily. Many transplants are older, and old people tend to be more conservative. And my anecdotal experience is that the families that are moving down there from the NE tend to be more conservative and are trying to leave their liberal home states--so if anything, I'd say the "great migration" from up north down to FL has been a key contributor to the state becoming more conservative.
I believe it was in 2020 that there was a poll in TX that showed the voting patterns of transplants vs. native Texans. The transplants voted much more Republican. Which matches my own anecdotal experience, everyone I know who left CA for TX was doing so because they wanted to get away from the liberalism of CA and be among "like" people.
You make some good points. Do you think Virginia is turning red?
https://www.cnn.com/election/2021/results/virginia/governor
No, one election does not a trend make.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 20:09
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:I’m in south fla and moved here recently from dc. I still read dcum to stay up on local current events. I find fla incredibly congested, housing/insurance expensive + can be extremely hot. I am not the fastest driver so I need to pick up the speed.
I am a Democrat, but haven’t felt the knives yet and am surprised how nice people can be. Not a conservative, classic and polite crowd like there but still friendly and welcoming. It is sad to read how many people disparage Florida, I’m here!
Looking for my crowd still.
conservative classic manne
I lived in what I think was a pretty moderate part of Florida.
I think what people miss about Florida is that it’s been a place where messed up people go to escape from themselves. They often present themselves as staid conservative Bible thumpers but often have LGBTQ, alcoholic, schizotypal or bipolar skeletons in the closet, and they live in places where the ocean opens up and swallows everything every 50 years or so.
So, it’s a place for people who either live for today, or don’t know that any other day exists, or who hide in their citrus groves with their Land Rovers.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 20:08
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Libs hate Florida because people are happy.
I’m a lib in FL and I think the country is going to be surprised at how purple FL is becoming. We are moving into this beautiful sunshine and bringing change. We are not loud or boisterous (think crazies with guns). Jacksonville just elected its first female democratic mayor. There is a strong sense of hate for damnyankees and FL culture doesn’t take too kindly to us folk. Florida man is a real thing. We are about to start open carry. DeSantis is the second coming of Hitler. Many worship him. He’s obsessed with sexual orientation (are you thinking what I’m thinking? Poor confused child) He’s even getting into a di<k measuring contest with a mouse. Lots of crazy, insecure, uneducated people. But things are changing. I have hope. I also have no bumper stickers on my car.
according to whom? Where is your evidence for this? People always say this, but Florida has been moving rapidly to the right in recent years. DeSantis won by .4% in 2018. In 2022? 19 points. In 2016, Trump won the state by 1.3 points. In 2020, it was 3.3. I guess the Jacksonville mayor is one data point, but other than that...I'm not seeing it. We've been hearing about the "blueification" of FL (and TX!) for years- changing demographics, more transplants, etc. but it really hasn't panned out.
Never understood why people automatically equate transplants with a state becoming more liberal. Just because someone is from "up north" doesn't mean they're liberal necessarily. Many transplants are older, and old people tend to be more conservative. And my anecdotal experience is that the families that are moving down there from the NE tend to be more conservative and are trying to leave their liberal home states--so if anything, I'd say the "great migration" from up north down to FL has been a key contributor to the state becoming more conservative.
I believe it was in 2020 that there was a poll in TX that showed the voting patterns of transplants vs. native Texans. The transplants voted much more Republican. Which matches my own anecdotal experience, everyone I know who left CA for TX was doing so because they wanted to get away from the liberalism of CA and be among "like" people.
You make some good points. Do you think Virginia is turning red?
https://www.cnn.com/election/2021/results/virginia/governor
Anonymous
05/21/2023 20:00
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Libs hate Florida because people are happy.
I’m a lib in FL and I think the country is going to be surprised at how purple FL is becoming. We are moving into this beautiful sunshine and bringing change. We are not loud or boisterous (think crazies with guns). Jacksonville just elected its first female democratic mayor. There is a strong sense of hate for damnyankees and FL culture doesn’t take too kindly to us folk. Florida man is a real thing. We are about to start open carry. DeSantis is the second coming of Hitler. Many worship him. He’s obsessed with sexual orientation (are you thinking what I’m thinking? Poor confused child) He’s even getting into a di<k measuring contest with a mouse. Lots of crazy, insecure, uneducated people. But things are changing. I have hope. I also have no bumper stickers on my car.
according to whom? Where is your evidence for this? People always say this, but Florida has been moving rapidly to the right in recent years. DeSantis won by .4% in 2018. In 2022? 19 points. In 2016, Trump won the state by 1.3 points. In 2020, it was 3.3. I guess the Jacksonville mayor is one data point, but other than that...I'm not seeing it. We've been hearing about the "blueification" of FL (and TX!) for years- changing demographics, more transplants, etc. but it really hasn't panned out.
Never understood why people automatically equate transplants with a state becoming more liberal. Just because someone is from "up north" doesn't mean they're liberal necessarily. Many transplants are older, and old people tend to be more conservative. And my anecdotal experience is that the families that are moving down there from the NE tend to be more conservative and are trying to leave their liberal home states--so if anything, I'd say the "great migration" from up north down to FL has been a key contributor to the state becoming more conservative.
I believe it was in 2020 that there was a poll in TX that showed the voting patterns of transplants vs. native Texans. The transplants voted much more Republican. Which matches my own anecdotal experience, everyone I know who left CA for TX was doing so because they wanted to get away from the liberalism of CA and be among "like" people.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 19:47
Subject: Re:Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:There’s a Florida forum⁉️ You’ve made it folks. What’s blue down there? Tampa? A friend has been trying to lure me to Winter Park for a visit, looks like a cute town. She’s a Dem.
Winter Park is great! Here is an election results map from 2020 election, it shows what's blue on a large scale plus many smaller urban areas are also blue.
https://www.cnn.com/election/2020/results/state/florida
Anonymous
05/21/2023 19:43
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Libs hate Florida because people are happy.
Happy in a vacuous sort of way.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 19:37
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Libs hate Florida because people are happy.
How did you find DCUM, PP?
Anonymous
05/21/2023 19:30
Subject: Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Libs hate Florida because people are happy.
+1.
Libs love FL and are committed to change. Moving here is a great opportunity to make the world a better place for our grandkids. Not to mention the beautiful weather and the tax breaks. My many liberal friends don’t come from a place of hate. Your comment is the direct opposite of what is going on.
We love it here. We are living an active healthy lifestyle and love the beaches and the restaurants and have met some fabulous people.
Why do you want to change Florida into the place you had to leave because of its disastrous policies?
Because I’m an American and can live wherever I want. The weather and healthy lifestyle are great. While I’m here I will work to make a change. Not like work hard! Suns out, fun’s out.
It is true that people moving from other states are changing things. You are free to move wherever you want. Why you could even run for President.
You didn't understand the PP's point.
Anonymous
05/21/2023 19:08
Subject: Re:Hello from the Sunshine State!
Anonymous wrote:It seems like a nice place but I would have a hard time living in any state that is looking to enforce such extreme rules on abortion. This is starting to rule out a lot of places in the US but I see it as barbaric- restricting women's health like this. I don't know how people manage to overlook this and live there.
They moved from DC. They’re numb.