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Anonymous wrote:I had more guns pointed at me and got in more fights in bars and elsewhere when I lived in rural America than I did since moving to DC.

It's not just city OR rural. There are many many places that are in between.

and they have crime too

Not anywhere near what's happening in the city, hence OP initiated this topic.

I personally felt much safer walking around NYC recently than I do in DC. There's a culture of lawlessness here that I don't see even in other major U.S. cities. Just stand by the Metro gates sometime and see who pays and who doesn't. It's eye-opening.

NYC is actually an extremely safe big city and has been that way for a while now. I used to live there and always felt safer there than I do here (caveat: I have not been back since 2019).

Stop and frisk was extremely effective.

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Anonymous wrote:I had more guns pointed at me and got in more fights in bars and elsewhere when I lived in rural America than I did since moving to DC.

It's not just city OR rural. There are many many places that are in between.

and they have crime too

Not anywhere near what's happening in the city, hence OP initiated this topic.

I personally felt much safer walking around NYC recently than I do in DC. There's a culture of lawlessness here that I don't see even in other major U.S. cities. Just stand by the Metro gates sometime and see who pays and who doesn't. It's eye-opening.

NYC is actually an extremely safe big city and has been that way for a while now. I used to live there and always felt safer there than I do here (caveat: I have not been back since 2019).

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Anonymous wrote:I had more guns pointed at me and got in more fights in bars and elsewhere when I lived in rural America than I did since moving to DC.

It's not just city OR rural. There are many many places that are in between.

and they have crime too

Not anywhere near what's happening in the city, hence OP initiated this topic.

I personally felt much safer walking around NYC recently than I do in DC. There's a culture of lawlessness here that I don't see even in other major U.S. cities. Just stand by the Metro gates sometime and see who pays and who doesn't. It's eye-opening.

That's really scary considering I don't feel safe in NYC these days either. Too many homeless people with mental issues causing violence. My friend who lives in Brooklyn doesn't even like taking the subway anymore and my mom was harassed and called racist names while walking on the street at a recent visit. She's Asian.

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Anonymous wrote:I had more guns pointed at me and got in more fights in bars and elsewhere when I lived in rural America than I did since moving to DC.

It's not just city OR rural. There are many many places that are in between.

and they have crime too

Not anywhere near what's happening in the city, hence OP initiated this topic.

I personally felt much safer walking around NYC recently than I do in DC. There's a culture of lawlessness here that I don't see even in other major U.S. cities. Just stand by the Metro gates sometime and see who pays and who doesn't. It's eye-opening.

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Anonymous wrote:I had more guns pointed at me and got in more fights in bars and elsewhere when I lived in rural America than I did since moving to DC.

It's not just city OR rural. There are many many places that are in between.

and they have crime too

Not anywhere near what's happening in the city, hence OP initiated this topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I had more guns pointed at me and got in more fights in bars and elsewhere when I lived in rural America than I did since moving to DC.

It's not just city OR rural. There are many many places that are in between.

and they have crime too

IKR? DC is so vibrant. The boring suburbs, they must have crime, there must be some reason not to move there. Oh, right, it's because they're not vibrant.

Left cap hill 4 years ago for Boston. No regrets. Don’t miss it. Sorry to hear it has only gotten worse.

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Anonymous wrote:I had more guns pointed at me and got in more fights in bars and elsewhere when I lived in rural America than I did since moving to DC.

It's not just city OR rural. There are many many places that are in between.

and they have crime too

Anonymous wrote:I lived here in the 90s and this doesn’t even come close. If you had bought in the rough part of dupont back in ‘93 you would have made a few million dollars by now.

I live and and was also here in the 90s. Its so trite at how that is the fallback ":well it was worse then"- sure in the number of murders but also crime seemed to be a lot more contained in certain and even to certain blocks. I absolutely think crime is worse now, the skyrocketing of juvenile gun crimes, carjackings etc is insane. And no one does anything. Kids are free to rob the CVS blind daily and they know there will be no consequences, same for underage car jackings and gun crimes. this shit is everywhere now. I am going on 25 years now but looking to move out.

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Anonymous wrote:We also live in Cap Hill. We see crime happening around us all the time. Everything from kids grabbing a bag of chips at 7-11 and running out to a shooting up our block. It feels lawless and we feel less safe than we did when we moved to the neighborhood 10 years ago. I'm afraid to sit in my car waiting for my kids activities to end because of carjackings. DH has had enough and wants to move. I have had enough but just can't imagine where we would go where we wouldn't trade one problem for another. But really we're probably staying because we like our house and have a super low mortgage payment compared to currently available rates. Financially, moving to the suburbs would be a very bad decision.

What do you think you’d be trading crime for? Sounds like a financial decision?

Meaning we would move to somewhere with less crime but have other problems - giving up walking to school and the metro, adding a long commute, leaving friends/neighbors and not knowing if we would build similar relationships, forcing our kids to change schools in middle school.

You don't have to be good or bad at risk assessment to observe that many things have ticked backward in recent years. There used to never be guns/shootings/murders in my neighborhood. Now, though thankfully rare, there are.

I grew up in a tricky downtown neighborhood in the 80s so don't come at me with, you don't know real crime, etc. (That I can remember: Armed robbery, two robberies on the street at gun point during the day, house burgled when we were out.)

The reason people (of all backgrounds) move to nicer neighborhoods is to get away from that nonsense. And the ones that can't afford it deserve more response from their elected leaders. And for many years, things were going the right way. 100 murders a year was still horrific (early 2010s), but it is a lot better than 200+. The car theft situation is out of control.

I will almost certainly not move to the suburbs, in part as a point of pride, and because generally things are OK in my daily experience. But I don't begrudge people who do, particularly if they have been personally hit by crime or have had one too many bad experiences on the Metro.

I lived here in the 90s and this doesn’t even come close. If you had bought in the rough part of dupont back in ‘93 you would have made a few million dollars by now.

Anonymous wrote:I had more guns pointed at me and got in more fights in bars and elsewhere when I lived in rural America than I did since moving to DC.

It's not just city OR rural. There are many many places that are in between.

Anonymous wrote:We also live in Cap Hill. We see crime happening around us all the time. Everything from kids grabbing a bag of chips at 7-11 and running out to a shooting up our block. It feels lawless and we feel less safe than we did when we moved to the neighborhood 10 years ago. I'm afraid to sit in my car waiting for my kids activities to end because of carjackings. DH has had enough and wants to move. I have had enough but just can't imagine where we would go where we wouldn't trade one problem for another. But really we're probably staying because we like our house and have a super low mortgage payment compared to currently available rates. Financially, moving to the suburbs would be a very bad decision.

What do you think you’d be trading crime for? Sounds like a financial decision?

We also live in Cap Hill. We see crime happening around us all the time. Everything from kids grabbing a bag of chips at 7-11 and running out to a shooting up our block. It feels lawless and we feel less safe than we did when we moved to the neighborhood 10 years ago. I'm afraid to sit in my car waiting for my kids activities to end because of carjackings. DH has had enough and wants to move. I have had enough but just can't imagine where we would go where we wouldn't trade one problem for another. But really we're probably staying because we like our house and have a super low mortgage payment compared to currently available rates. Financially, moving to the suburbs would be a very bad decision.