Anonymous wrote:I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried out by 6. And the film does not show what the homeless man was doing before being subdued by 3 men. Too many nut bags and not enough police.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

But it shouldn’t be like this in a civilized, developed country. We should not encounter high, mentally or homeless people. Not even dirty smelly people, or people screaming and throwing things. They should be picked up by police and places in appropriate institutions.

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Not all of us want to live in Portland or SF. This guy was a lunatic schizophrenic threatening and harassing people in a confined space. These guys tried to subdue him for their own safety and for the safety of those on the train. In a situation like this you can’t predict whether some aggressive, drug-fueled lunatic is only going to touch you and scream at you and gesture violently or actually pull out a knife or some other weapon and stab you. And by the way that takes exactly half a second and then it’s too late. They showed immense restraint clearly just trying to hold him still until help arrived.

Please post link re he was a lunatic schizophrenic threatening and harassing on the subway.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

But this is exactly what's happening everywhere, to innocent people. I live in LA, it's literally the wild west the minute you step outside.

That's exactly right. We've had a breakdown in law and order and the basic rules and norms of civilization in many cities - San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Minneapolis, Memphis, Baltimore, Philadelphia and on and on. The police don't do anything. The DAs don't prosecute. The judges don't sentence. And as we go into the warm months it's only going to get worse. All we hear from politicians and city councils is equity and restorative justice and systemic racism and blah blah blah. Meanwhile our once great cities are emptying - look at office vacancy rates - and the drugged out zombies and sociopathic violent criminals fill the void. It's a damn shame Republicans are nutcases these days so there really isn't a meaningful voting alternative to the utterly misguided progressives that run most cities these days. It's sad. And as the mayhem continues, more and more Americans are going to arm themselves and vigilante justice is going to become the norm. And it's our collective fault because we voted for these idiots.

This sounds like the opening paragraph to a Frank Miller graphic novel.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

But this is exactly what's happening everywhere, to innocent people. I live in LA, it's literally the wild west the minute you step outside.

That's exactly right. We've had a breakdown in law and order and the basic rules and norms of civilization in many cities - San Francisco, Portland, Seattle, Chicago, Minneapolis, Memphis, Baltimore, Philadelphia and on and on. The police don't do anything. The DAs don't prosecute. The judges don't sentence. And as we go into the warm months it's only going to get worse. All we hear from politicians and city councils is equity and restorative justice and systemic racism and blah blah blah. Meanwhile our once great cities are emptying - look at office vacancy rates - and the drugged out zombies and sociopathic violent criminals fill the void. It's a damn shame Republicans are nutcases these days so there really isn't a meaningful voting alternative to the utterly misguided progressives that run most cities these days. It's sad. And as the mayhem continues, more and more Americans are going to arm themselves and vigilante justice is going to become the norm. And it's our collective fault because we voted for these idiots.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

But it shouldn’t be like this in a civilized, developed country. We should not encounter high, mentally or homeless people. Not even dirty smelly people, or people screaming and throwing things. They should be picked up by police and places in appropriate institutions.

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Not all of us want to live in Portland or SF. This guy was a lunatic schizophrenic threatening and harassing people in a confined space. These guys tried to subdue him for their own safety and for the safety of those on the train. In a situation like this you can’t predict whether some aggressive, drug-fueled lunatic is only going to touch you and scream at you and gesture violently or actually pull out a knife or some other weapon and stab you. And by the way that takes exactly half a second and then it’s too late. They showed immense restraint clearly just trying to hold him still until help arrived.

Anonymous wrote:I just don't understand why we can't have democratic leaders who believe in keeping cities safe, clean, and orderly.

Anonymous wrote:All I know is that even though I lived in NYC for three years and traveled there constantly for years thereafter riding the subway I have no interest ever doing so again unless there’s a mayor and other city leaders who prioritize law and order over the riff-raff and crazies who indiscriminately loot stores and scare the crap out of everyone on the subway cars.

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Anonymous wrote:Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that?

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory.

But it shouldn’t be like this in a civilized, developed country. We should not encounter high, mentally or homeless people. Not even dirty smelly people, or people screaming and throwing things. They should be picked up by police and places in appropriate institutions.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF!
Why would this guy choke this man out like this?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wannabe-vigilante-chokes-homeless-man-jordan-neely-to-death-on-nyc-subway-videos-show?mibextid=Zxz2cZ

Guy did the right thing. This homeless guy should have been locked up or institutionalized. He was a danger to others.

You think he was right to kill him? Literally choke him to death for 15 minutes? That's disgusting.

The marine literally murdered someone with his bare hands and you are calling the homeless guy a danger. Unbelievable.

Citation?

It’s in the subhead of the article in the OP.

It says, "allegedly." What is the actual evidence? The video is cut and starts with the person in the choke hold, so it's pretty much irrelevant. Also, you can breathe in a choke hold if the person's technique is lacking.

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Anonymous wrote:WTF!
Why would this guy choke this man out like this?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/wannabe-vigilante-chokes-homeless-man-jordan-neely-to-death-on-nyc-subway-videos-show?mibextid=Zxz2cZ

Guy did the right thing. This homeless guy should have been locked up or institutionalized. He was a danger to others.

You think he was right to kill him? Literally choke him to death for 15 minutes? That's disgusting.

The marine literally murdered someone with his bare hands and you are calling the homeless guy a danger. Unbelievable.

Citation?

It’s in the subhead of the article in the OP.