Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?

How do you respond when your child ignores your requests?

Haha most of these “constant irritation” behaviors that exist are also seen at home with the kids also disrespecting their parents.

Sometimes I think people here have completely forgotten what school is like. They actually think it’s OK for their kid to be constantly disobeying.

I'm a parent of a talker and I don't accept my kid constantly disobeying, but I do recognize that she often isn't "disobeying" so much as she's struggling with a rule. I could absolutely see this happening to her. Personally, I would try to reframe it as "the teacher is trying to help you remember not to talk in the hallways because sometimes it's hard to remember -- if you are behind everyone, it will be easier to remember because there will be fewer kids around you to talk to." So not even as a punishment, but as a way to facilitate her following the rule.

I think if the teacher framed it as a punishment, leading the kid to feel shamed by it, that was a mistake on the teacher's part. Kids are super sensitive to shame and punishment and it often distracts from the lesson you want to teach. It really works best if you can find a way to be on the same side as the kid ("how do we solve this problem together") and then invite them to join you in the solution, instead of administering a punishment. It empowers kids to *choose* to behave, and to see you as an ally in that happening.

Parenting/teaching is much easier if you don't view yourself as in opposition to the child all the time. I get annoyed with teachers who still haven't figured this out. Sure, it takes more work up front to take the approach I just outlined, but you get better results in the long run. Your kids need to see you as an ally and resource, not a dictator due for an uprising.

Seems fine to me. FWIW, my child is first alphabetically and he opens the door, holds it, and then rejoins the class as the last in line. Every day. All year. No complaints. I just found out last week when I chaperoned a field trip.

Anonymous wrote:I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

There is no school like that. Just homeschool

I don't like punishments like this, especially for younger elementary kids. It's meant to break them. I understand why a kid who always talks when they are told not to is a problem for a teacher, but in an ideal world, we wouldn't be looking for ways to silence exuberant and social children.

But then I hate traditional school models and I love talkative, silly kids.

Agree with the PP who said elementary school sucks. I had forgotten how much it sucks, until I had a kid in one. It's the pits! Wish I could afford to send my kid to a school where they had class outside all the time and running and talking were encouraged.

Anonymous wrote:I think the teacher is acting out of frustration. This seems ridiculous. This child couldn’t have been the only child talking. This is excessive. The teacher is over reacting.

Of course the teacher is frustrated. But the action is not ridiculous, excessive, or overreacting. I'm sure your child is unhappy with the change, but the line is not a class rank. She is not in last place. This will not affect her Ivy League ambitions. She will now understand more about actions and consequences and become a better student and community member because of it.

Anonymous wrote:I think the teacher is acting out of frustration. This seems ridiculous. This child couldn’t have been the only child talking. This is excessive. The teacher is over reacting.

What school do you teach at?
None? That’s what I thought.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?

There's is nothing wrong with this per se. The only slight problem is that it is too absolute and allows no chance for redemption/improvement... they are just stuck at the end of the line for the rest of the year.

Np. I assume the kid had chances to change her behavior throughout the year. I doubt the kid had one one bad day and was permanently punished.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?

I do not like that the teacher went out of her way to embarrass a child with a punishment that she deemed humiliating

I don’t understand this. It seems like more of a reward than a punishment. They are farther from the teacher and kids often want to be in the back, not in the front.

Anonymous wrote:I think the teacher is acting out of frustration. This seems ridiculous. This child couldn’t have been the only child talking. This is excessive. The teacher is over reacting.

^ OP or another clueless parent?
What’s YOUR solution?

I think the teacher is acting out of frustration. This seems ridiculous. This child couldn’t have been the only child talking. This is excessive. The teacher is over reacting.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

Don't play into it. They got a consequence they don't like. Please help them take the right lesson from it and don't let them think the teacher made them a victim. They made a choice and should make a different choice in the future.

I posted earlier and I agree with this. I understand you don't see it this way but I think this was a practical solution (not a punishment). Also, one academic quarter is 2 months, not three. Exaggeration does nobody any favors. Be more careful with your language. Do not let DD play the victim.

Anonymous wrote:OP here. Had taken that approach, but it seems like a rather severe immutable punishment for...talking in the hallways. If a child punches someone, which most would agree is a far more serious behavioral matter, are they given 3 months of daily punishment?

DD says they feel some kids are now treating them differently due to this.

If a child punches someone multiple days, yes, they would probably get an on-going consequence to help stop the behavior from reoccurring.

I’m the parent of a constant talker. This kid monologues his way into and out of the bathroom. He tells himself stories out loud to fall asleep.

Heck yes I’d support his teacher if she put him at the end of the line! It’s fine. They have to learn how to be considerate community members. And if the end of the line is what helps him not distract others, yay!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?

How do you respond when your child ignores your requests?

Haha most of these “constant irritation” behaviors that exist are also seen at home with the kids also disrespecting their parents.

Sometimes I think people here have completely forgotten what school is like. They actually think it’s OK for their kid to be constantly disobeying.

Anonymous wrote:Is it appropriate for an educator to tell an elementary school child to walk at the end of the line for the final quarter of school because they are sick of telling them to stop talking in line?

How do you respond when your child ignores your requests?