Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 23:24     Subject: Re:William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Three total:

Algebra 1 Honors: B
Pre-Calc Honors: B-
AP Calc AB: B (but scored a 5 on the AP exam, reported)

IR major, applied ED.

Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 23:10     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:W&M does say it tried to meet demonstrated need but it does not say that it meets it every time. Also, that’s a deceptive statement because demonstrated need is established by the FAFSA which has disappointing results for most families reading this. So W&M is need-aware, then after you get your FAFSA results, it will try to meet what FAFSA says, which, for us was zero


Isn't FAFSA widely used?
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 22:53     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Does W&M have grade deflation vs UVA?


Both schools have had significant grade inflation over time, like almost all universities.


Schools have a far narrower band of students than they did in the past--you just are not going to get much "B" or "C" quality work from students who were all the top students in rigorous courses in their HS. That's a key source of grade inflation.


No. There has been major grade inflation in high school as well.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 22:48     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
W&M does say it tried to meet demonstrated need but it does not say that it meets it every time. Also, that’s a deceptive statement because demonstrated need is established by the FAFSA which has disappointing results for most families reading this. So W&M is need-aware, then after you get your FAFSA results, it will try to meet what FAFSA says, which, for us was zero
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 22:40     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If you're full pay, W&M will accept a few Bs.


They are need blind in-state
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That didn’t sound right so I went and checked. UVA is need-blond for in-state students. William & Mary is need-aware
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 21:35     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:If you're full pay, W&M will accept a few Bs.


They are need blind in-state
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 20:43     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Instead of focusing on a few Bs, look at his overall, weighted GPA. Anything above a 4.2 from FCPS generally gets admitted. If the lower grades are concentrated in something he wants to pursue, that could be a problem. Also, if the Bs are in AP courses, and he got a 4 or 5 on the corresponding AP tests, AO would conclude that he knows the material but the class was particularly difficult.



False. Not even the bottom 25th percentile of UVA admittees last year were that low.


UVA and W&M are two different schools. Why would you use the stats of one to judge the likelihood of admission to the other, especially when all the facts are available. More specifically, I’ve seen Naviance for my kids better FCPS and 4.2 and better mostly get admits.



Because the SCHEV website has been down for the last three hours and because I have the UVA stats memorized. UVA’s are only slightly higher than W&M’s across the board on all categories
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 20:35     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
If you're full pay, W&M will accept a few Bs.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 20:34     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Instead of focusing on a few Bs, look at his overall, weighted GPA. Anything above a 4.2 from FCPS generally gets admitted. If the lower grades are concentrated in something he wants to pursue, that could be a problem. Also, if the Bs are in AP courses, and he got a 4 or 5 on the corresponding AP tests, AO would conclude that he knows the material but the class was particularly difficult.



False. Not even the bottom 25th percentile of UVA admittees last year were that low.


UVA and W&M are two different schools. Why would you use the stats of one to judge the likelihood of admission to the other, especially when all the facts are available. More specifically, I’ve seen Naviance for my kids better FCPS and 4.2 and better mostly get admits.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 20:23     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When did AP Bs become the equivalent of Ds? This is so weird.



It's not weird. It became so as the colleges needed a way to evaluated unhooked students. A kid with a 4.6 has 12 AP courses with all As. That's what you need to get into an elite school. Each B drags down the 4.6


It's weird. Amazingly enough, those of us with 3.5 GPA's are fully functional adult. Even went to elite schools. So what changed?


AP courses. WE had 4.0s, which meant straight As in regular courses. Now kids need a 4.6 to be competittive which means 12 AP courses with perfect grades.


I graduated in 1991 with 4 APs. Not as many as today but still we had them. West coast public school at that.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 19:30     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When did AP Bs become the equivalent of Ds? This is so weird.



It's not weird. It became so as the colleges needed a way to evaluated unhooked students. A kid with a 4.6 has 12 AP courses with all As. That's what you need to get into an elite school. Each B drags down the 4.6


It's weird. Amazingly enough, those of us with 3.5 GPA's are fully functional adult. Even went to elite schools. So what changed?


AP courses. WE had 4.0s, which meant straight As in regular courses. Now kids need a 4.6 to be competittive which means 12 AP courses with perfect grades.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 19:12     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:When did AP Bs become the equivalent of Ds? This is so weird.



It's not weird. It became so as the colleges needed a way to evaluated unhooked students. A kid with a 4.6 has 12 AP courses with all As. That's what you need to get into an elite school. Each B drags down the 4.6


It's weird. Amazingly enough, those of us with 3.5 GPA's are fully functional adult. Even went to elite schools. So what changed?
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 19:01     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:When did AP Bs become the equivalent of Ds? This is so weird.



It's not weird. It became so as the colleges needed a way to evaluated unhooked students. A kid with a 4.6 has 12 AP courses with all As. That's what you need to get into an elite school. Each B drags down the 4.6
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 19:00     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:Instead of focusing on a few Bs, look at his overall, weighted GPA. Anything above a 4.2 from FCPS generally gets admitted. If the lower grades are concentrated in something he wants to pursue, that could be a problem. Also, if the Bs are in AP courses, and he got a 4 or 5 on the corresponding AP tests, AO would conclude that he knows the material but the class was particularly difficult.



False. Not even the bottom 25th percentile of UVA admittees last year were that low.
Anonymous
Post 05/11/2023 18:53     Subject: William and Mary - how many Bs did your student have and still get admitted?
Anonymous wrote:When did AP Bs become the equivalent of Ds? This is so weird.


Agreed. DCUM strivers like to humblebrag about their kid while explaining why your kid doesn’t qualify. It’s an immature way of making them and their kid feel special. A couple of Bs in AP classes will not derail an W&M application.