Joy Behar used to have a short lived late nite show while on a brief hiatus from The View. Chelsea Handler went to her show to promote "Lies Chelsea Handler Told Me" where she confessed to be on therapy for a narcissistic personality. That explains a lot.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s almost like…

Binge drinking
Drugs
Sleeping around
Abortions
No children
Lots of money

…are not the keys to happiness? And maybe, just maybe, there were ulterior motives when entertainment executives pushed this bill of goods on women via entertainers like Handler?

Well, I disagree that she was pushed as a bill of goods. That's some weird conservative energy right there. From what I can see, she worked hard and is fairly brilliant. As far as who she is, she's one manifistation of our culture, circa 1975ish when she was born (not sure that's correct, but within a couple years ok)

Not a conservative. Lol. Watched her show at its peak and even read her first couple of books on airplanes. She has always been human trash. And the glorification of what she pushed ruined a lot of lives — including her own.

"What she pushed" -- what's that? Not a baby? Look, the perspectives of women outside norms have always been welcome relief to other women outside norms. What's with the paranoia that a woman slept around, had abortions, talked about it, is going to corrupt girls uninterested in those ideas?

Best way to ensure your daughters stay on straight/narrow is to actually be a great parent, if you know how. You have weird ideas, so I doubt it.

She got rich and famous glorifying abortion and vile debauchery. And now look at what that led to, a miserable broken and lonely old woman. Rich but so what. She’d trade all the money for a dentist husband and two kids.

Such a silly statement. I really, really doubt that.

Anonymous wrote:She has siblings who seemingly fared better.

They are mostly much older so had more years of relative stability before Chet died. Siblings have different experiences in the same family..

Anonymous wrote:OK! I am reading the "life will be the death of me" book, and most of my questions are answered. 1) She talks about being the one of 9 enneagram types that has the least empathy, and then she reflects on it, a lot! 2) She suffered from trauma of her brother Chet's death, then that her parents were just unavailable after 3) she was totally driven to be famous and to never be uncomfortable again 4) her parents seem narcissistic (dad) and enabler (mom)

And in conclusion, she is a traumatized person who was lost and then found, through therapy, in 40s, as it tends to happen for women. Decades of crap happen before you can slow down and think about your life, when you have trauma. This is why I felt led to understand Chelsea better. I get now, we both had trauma and kept moving until we had to stop and think.

I finished the book! I loved it. Further notes: while she considered that she had ADD, her therapist didn't think so. Her therapist also ruled out narcissistic personality disorder. Now that she is healthier, more self aware, having addressed her traumas, she wants a partner/husband. At the she wrote something like, "Dedicated to my future husband," so she is totally putting that out into the universe (as they say). She doesn't really say she wants children, and she's very into her dogs and enjoys her nieces/nephews.

She claims to be extremely happy.

I don't get that she's bitter about her choices. Say what you want about Chelsea, love her or hate her, she has done really well and is incredibly wealthy. If she wanted kids, much like Jen Aniston, she could have them! Surrogacy, adoption, whatevs.

She is a huge supporter of Cat and Nat who post "mom truths" all the time so I don't think she is anti women with children, more just mocking the people who think you MUST have children to be fulfilled. I LOVE her schtick about having free time to sleep in and not go to "Disney Land, Lego Land, or Yogurt Land" LOL. I also have a friend in mid 40s who is really torn about not having a partner and settling down and she appreciates that there are forums now to embrace a child free lifestyle amongst all the mommy bloggers and bump watches.

I don't understand the "she must be bitter and miserable" about different women. I love being a mom but I get that not everyone wants that life.

She has siblings who seemingly fared better.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s almost like…

Binge drinking
Drugs
Sleeping around
Abortions
No children
Lots of money

…are not the keys to happiness? And maybe, just maybe, there were ulterior motives when entertainment executives pushed this bill of goods on women via entertainers like Handler?

Well, I disagree that she was pushed as a bill of goods. That's some weird conservative energy right there. From what I can see, she worked hard and is fairly brilliant. As far as who she is, she's one manifistation of our culture, circa 1975ish when she was born (not sure that's correct, but within a couple years ok)

Not a conservative. Lol. Watched her show at its peak and even read her first couple of books on airplanes. She has always been human trash. And the glorification of what she pushed ruined a lot of lives — including her own.

"What she pushed" -- what's that? Not a baby? Look, the perspectives of women outside norms have always been welcome relief to other women outside norms. What's with the paranoia that a woman slept around, had abortions, talked about it, is going to corrupt girls uninterested in those ideas?

Best way to ensure your daughters stay on straight/narrow is to actually be a great parent, if you know how. You have weird ideas, so I doubt it.

She got rich and famous glorifying abortion and vile debauchery. And now look at what that led to, a miserable broken and lonely old woman. Rich but so what. She’d trade all the money for a dentist husband and two kids.

No, she really wouldn't. She says that if she'd married either of the two guys she could have married, she'd have been divorced by now. And she saya that she is uncertain she could have been a good mother. So this result is way better for everyone.

As the child of a woman who would have been better off not marrying, and not being a mother, I would applaud more women taking their time, giving it thought, and focusing on career.

The only thing Chelsea could have done different was getting herself therapized earlier.

Good morning brunch granny.

Except it’s not like she’s all better now.

How many people do you think are “all better now” who have experienced trauma and addiction, self-afflicted or otherwise? Even with time and therapy? Yes, she has lifestyle enabled/created issues (drug use, drinking, promiscuity) but she also experienced trauma from her brother dying when she was 9 and later her mom dying from cancer, and from getting pregnant and having abortions when she was a sophomore in high school. Pick just one of the issues she has had — alcoholism, substance abuse, loss of sibling or parent, multiple abortions as a minor — and let us know how “all better” somebody is managing their experience with it, to say nothing of multiple issues. Whether a fan or not, or whether she is famous or not, time and therapy doesn’t exactly “cure” everyone. Remember that.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s almost like…

Binge drinking
Drugs
Sleeping around
Abortions
No children
Lots of money

…are not the keys to happiness? And maybe, just maybe, there were ulterior motives when entertainment executives pushed this bill of goods on women via entertainers like Handler?

Well, I disagree that she was pushed as a bill of goods. That's some weird conservative energy right there. From what I can see, she worked hard and is fairly brilliant. As far as who she is, she's one manifistation of our culture, circa 1975ish when she was born (not sure that's correct, but within a couple years ok)

Not a conservative. Lol. Watched her show at its peak and even read her first couple of books on airplanes. She has always been human trash. And the glorification of what she pushed ruined a lot of lives — including her own.

"What she pushed" -- what's that? Not a baby? Look, the perspectives of women outside norms have always been welcome relief to other women outside norms. What's with the paranoia that a woman slept around, had abortions, talked about it, is going to corrupt girls uninterested in those ideas?

Best way to ensure your daughters stay on straight/narrow is to actually be a great parent, if you know how. You have weird ideas, so I doubt it.

She got rich and famous glorifying abortion and vile debauchery. And now look at what that led to, a miserable broken and lonely old woman. Rich but so what. She’d trade all the money for a dentist husband and two kids.

No, she really wouldn't. She says that if she'd married either of the two guys she could have married, she'd have been divorced by now. And she saya that she is uncertain she could have been a good mother. So this result is way better for everyone.

As the child of a woman who would have been better off not marrying, and not being a mother, I would applaud more women taking their time, giving it thought, and focusing on career.

The only thing Chelsea could have done different was getting herself therapized earlier.

Good morning brunch granny.

Except it’s not like she’s all better now.

She's better than being poor, messy, with traumatized kids, ie, better than her own parents.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s almost like…

Binge drinking
Drugs
Sleeping around
Abortions
No children
Lots of money

…are not the keys to happiness? And maybe, just maybe, there were ulterior motives when entertainment executives pushed this bill of goods on women via entertainers like Handler?

Well, I disagree that she was pushed as a bill of goods. That's some weird conservative energy right there. From what I can see, she worked hard and is fairly brilliant. As far as who she is, she's one manifistation of our culture, circa 1975ish when she was born (not sure that's correct, but within a couple years ok)

Not a conservative. Lol. Watched her show at its peak and even read her first couple of books on airplanes. She has always been human trash. And the glorification of what she pushed ruined a lot of lives — including her own.

"What she pushed" -- what's that? Not a baby? Look, the perspectives of women outside norms have always been welcome relief to other women outside norms. What's with the paranoia that a woman slept around, had abortions, talked about it, is going to corrupt girls uninterested in those ideas?

Best way to ensure your daughters stay on straight/narrow is to actually be a great parent, if you know how. You have weird ideas, so I doubt it.

She got rich and famous glorifying abortion and vile debauchery. And now look at what that led to, a miserable broken and lonely old woman. Rich but so what. She’d trade all the money for a dentist husband and two kids.

No, she really wouldn't. She says that if she'd married either of the two guys she could have married, she'd have been divorced by now. And she saya that she is uncertain she could have been a good mother. So this result is way better for everyone.

As the child of a woman who would have been better off not marrying, and not being a mother, I would applaud more women taking their time, giving it thought, and focusing on career.

The only thing Chelsea could have done different was getting herself therapized earlier.

Good morning brunch granny.

Except it’s not like she’s all better now.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s almost like…

Binge drinking
Drugs
Sleeping around
Abortions
No children
Lots of money

…are not the keys to happiness? And maybe, just maybe, there were ulterior motives when entertainment executives pushed this bill of goods on women via entertainers like Handler?

Well, I disagree that she was pushed as a bill of goods. That's some weird conservative energy right there. From what I can see, she worked hard and is fairly brilliant. As far as who she is, she's one manifistation of our culture, circa 1975ish when she was born (not sure that's correct, but within a couple years ok)

Not a conservative. Lol. Watched her show at its peak and even read her first couple of books on airplanes. She has always been human trash. And the glorification of what she pushed ruined a lot of lives — including her own.

"What she pushed" -- what's that? Not a baby? Look, the perspectives of women outside norms have always been welcome relief to other women outside norms. What's with the paranoia that a woman slept around, had abortions, talked about it, is going to corrupt girls uninterested in those ideas?

Best way to ensure your daughters stay on straight/narrow is to actually be a great parent, if you know how. You have weird ideas, so I doubt it.

She got rich and famous glorifying abortion and vile debauchery. And now look at what that led to, a miserable broken and lonely old woman. Rich but so what. She’d trade all the money for a dentist husband and two kids.

No, she really wouldn't. She says that if she'd married either of the two guys she could have married, she'd have been divorced by now. And she saya that she is uncertain she could have been a good mother. So this result is way better for everyone.

As the child of a woman who would have been better off not marrying, and not being a mother, I would applaud more women taking their time, giving it thought, and focusing on career.

The only thing Chelsea could have done different was getting herself therapized earlier.

Good morning brunch granny.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s almost like…

Binge drinking
Drugs
Sleeping around
Abortions
No children
Lots of money

…are not the keys to happiness? And maybe, just maybe, there were ulterior motives when entertainment executives pushed this bill of goods on women via entertainers like Handler?

Well, I disagree that she was pushed as a bill of goods. That's some weird conservative energy right there. From what I can see, she worked hard and is fairly brilliant. As far as who she is, she's one manifistation of our culture, circa 1975ish when she was born (not sure that's correct, but within a couple years ok)

Not a conservative. Lol. Watched her show at its peak and even read her first couple of books on airplanes. She has always been human trash. And the glorification of what she pushed ruined a lot of lives — including her own.

"What she pushed" -- what's that? Not a baby? Look, the perspectives of women outside norms have always been welcome relief to other women outside norms. What's with the paranoia that a woman slept around, had abortions, talked about it, is going to corrupt girls uninterested in those ideas?

Best way to ensure your daughters stay on straight/narrow is to actually be a great parent, if you know how. You have weird ideas, so I doubt it.

She got rich and famous glorifying abortion and vile debauchery. And now look at what that led to, a miserable broken and lonely old woman. Rich but so what. She’d trade all the money for a dentist husband and two kids.

No, she really wouldn't. She says that if she'd married either of the two guys she could have married, she'd have been divorced by now. And she saya that she is uncertain she could have been a good mother. So this result is way better for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It’s almost like…

Binge drinking
Drugs
Sleeping around
Abortions
No children
Lots of money

…are not the keys to happiness? And maybe, just maybe, there were ulterior motives when entertainment executives pushed this bill of goods on women via entertainers like Handler?

Well, I disagree that she was pushed as a bill of goods. That's some weird conservative energy right there. From what I can see, she worked hard and is fairly brilliant. As far as who she is, she's one manifistation of our culture, circa 1975ish when she was born (not sure that's correct, but within a couple years ok)

Not a conservative. Lol. Watched her show at its peak and even read her first couple of books on airplanes. She has always been human trash. And the glorification of what she pushed ruined a lot of lives — including her own.

"What she pushed" -- what's that? Not a baby? Look, the perspectives of women outside norms have always been welcome relief to other women outside norms. What's with the paranoia that a woman slept around, had abortions, talked about it, is going to corrupt girls uninterested in those ideas?

Best way to ensure your daughters stay on straight/narrow is to actually be a great parent, if you know how. You have weird ideas, so I doubt it.

She got rich and famous glorifying abortion and vile debauchery. And now look at what that led to, a miserable broken and lonely old woman. Rich but so what. She’d trade all the money for a dentist husband and two kids.

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Anonymous wrote:She has always struck me as mean spirited. I also think she seems like she’s constantly seeking validation about her decision to be single and not have kids. It’s fine if she chooses those things, but she goes on and on about what a superior decision it was.

I love Tina fey, and like Amy schumer (though she is also a little blunt for me.) But something about Chelsea handler is really obnoxious and puts me off.

She’s insecure about those choices.

Bill Maher is similarly going through some bizarre insecurities related to aging. He’s constantly fixating on age on his show and podcast.

Fear of dying alone. And no heirs.

I miss Joe.