Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 12:52     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
I disagree with your unhinged and intolerant screed against foreigners and people from out of state.

There is an assumption under the law that if you hold a valid driver's license from another jurisdiction, you may exchange it for a MD driver's license. The people who cause car accidents are statistically young adults and the elderly - regardless of where they come from. Which means the majority of accidents on River Rd will be caused by Montgomery County drivers.

- European whose driving test in Paris was much harder than the incredibly easy one given here in MD. MOST wealthy countries have harder driving tests than the ones given in the USA, actually.



There are many countries in the world, including lots where traffic rules mean nothing.


So true. More No Rules counties than Rules Countries.

Anyhow, easy to get an ID or license in Mont County, MD. Come one, come all. Don’t bring your livestock on the roads.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 10:20     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:That particular area can be confusing because the barrier stops just before the McDonalds and often 2 or the 3 cars are sitting in the middle trying to make the turn into and out of the McDonalds. Pay your fine and be a better driver in the future. Use it as a lesson learned. I never run a yellow light anymore after getting 1-2 red light tickets. I am a much safer driver now.


If you ever get a red light camera ticket, the ticket has a link to a video and you should slow it down as much as possible and watch it. In my case, I was quite clearly in the intersection when the light turned red (but if you were watching the video at full speed, it was difficult to tell), so I called them up, told them to slow down the video, and they confirmed that they got it wrong and the ticket was voided without me going to court.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 10:13     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
That particular area can be confusing because the barrier stops just before the McDonalds and often 2 or the 3 cars are sitting in the middle trying to make the turn into and out of the McDonalds. Pay your fine and be a better driver in the future. Use it as a lesson learned. I never run a yellow light anymore after getting 1-2 red light tickets. I am a much safer driver now.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 10:12     Subject: Re:School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:Apparently, 85% of these tickets are going to other school bus drivers (who they probably can't fire because there's always a shortage):

https://wtop.com/montgomery-county/2023/04/report-85-of-tickets-issued-for-passing-stopped-school-buses-were-issued-to-school-bus-drivers/


That article is so confusing. The number of citations is so low that it takes some reading between the lines to understand what's happening. I think it's saying that, of traffic citations paid by the county using its purchasing cards, 85% of those citations are from school bus drivers (so maybe, for instance, the other 15% are from county vehicles getting speed camera tickets).

So it's not making any representations about how many school bus stop sign citations are issued to people who aren't school bus drivers.
Anonymous
Post 04/28/2023 10:01     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
I disagree with your unhinged and intolerant screed against foreigners and people from out of state.

There is an assumption under the law that if you hold a valid driver's license from another jurisdiction, you may exchange it for a MD driver's license. The people who cause car accidents are statistically young adults and the elderly - regardless of where they come from. Which means the majority of accidents on River Rd will be caused by Montgomery County drivers.

- European whose driving test in Paris was much harder than the incredibly easy one given here in MD. MOST wealthy countries have harder driving tests than the ones given in the USA, actually.



There are many countries in the world, including lots where traffic rules mean nothing.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 22:15     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have to stop for school buses in both directions unless there is a median dividing a multiple lane road. Drivers Ed 101. I'd actually pay to see how many idiot drivers in the opposite lanes road rage at people stopped for a bus because they are unaware of the rule like an idiot.


Many.

No one is stopping on a multi-lane commuter road. Even other public school bus drivers in their yellow buses don’t stop for their fellow flashing light stop sign out buses. No one sees the little sign in the bright sun, drivers are too busy minding the crazy traffic and drivers pulling out every 10 meters.


The little sign is attached to a big orange bus with flashing lights.

And most drivers aren't "commuting" at school bus drop-off times, they're just driving.


NP. huh? Our school buses pick up between 7-8:30 (depending on school). Definitely commuting times.

I really think this might be the wrong road to pick kids up on. It seems dangerous for elementary schoolers especially. Where I grew up buses picked up on side streets.


The bus stops and the child gets on. The bus stops and the child gets off and walks twenty feet to their building. It’s not dangerous for the child if drivers obey the law.

I cannot believe drivers are opposing stopping for a school bus. MoCo drivers really are the worst.

Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 22:12     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
GOOD! It’s too congested there. People speed and there are schools
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 22:07     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have to stop for school buses in both directions unless there is a median dividing a multiple lane road. Drivers Ed 101. I'd actually pay to see how many idiot drivers in the opposite lanes road rage at people stopped for a bus because they are unaware of the rule like an idiot.


Many.

No one is stopping on a multi-lane commuter road. Even other public school bus drivers in their yellow buses don’t stop for their fellow flashing light stop sign out buses. No one sees the little sign in the bright sun, drivers are too busy minding the crazy traffic and drivers pulling out every 10 meters.


The little sign is attached to a big orange bus with flashing lights.

And most drivers aren't "commuting" at school bus drop-off times, they're just driving.


NP. huh? Our school buses pick up between 7-8:30 (depending on school). Definitely commuting times.

I really think this might be the wrong road to pick kids up on. It seems dangerous for elementary schoolers especially. Where I grew up buses picked up on side streets.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 22:01     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
So many complaints from so many bad drivers. “But other drivers are doing it!” is a child’s excuse. Just obey the law and you won’t get fined $$$$. This isn’t complicated.

Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 18:42     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Saw an Amazon truck take an arm sign out on a busy commercial road once too around here.
And no, the kid wasn’t going to cross the busy roads to get to the other side. No one in their right mind would cross over all that.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 17:31     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
That’s the stop on the bus driver test course, they try to leave the stop arm out a full 1-2 minutes to generate maximum revenue per minute.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 17:24     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Here's a great hint to avoid having to pay $250 for a school camera ticket: stop for stopped school buses.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 17:07     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 17:07     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have to stop for school buses in both directions unless there is a median dividing a multiple lane road. Drivers Ed 101. I'd actually pay to see how many idiot drivers in the opposite lanes road rage at people stopped for a bus because they are unaware of the rule like an idiot.


Many.

No one is stopping on a multi-lane commuter road. Even other public school bus drivers in their yellow buses don’t stop for their fellow flashing light stop sign out buses. No one sees the little sign in the bright sun, drivers are too busy minding the crazy traffic and drivers pulling out every 10 meters.


The little sign is attached to a big orange bus with flashing lights.

And most drivers aren't "commuting" at school bus drop-off times, they're just driving.


Doesn’t matter.

No one sees the sign, too busy on the road. No one is stopping. County and MCPS does nothing, even to their own drivers in violation.


Other than issuing citations.
Anonymous
Post 04/27/2023 17:05     Subject: School camera tickets, $250 * 10 cars every stop on River Road, Bethesda
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:You have to stop for school buses in both directions unless there is a median dividing a multiple lane road. Drivers Ed 101. I'd actually pay to see how many idiot drivers in the opposite lanes road rage at people stopped for a bus because they are unaware of the rule like an idiot.


Many.

No one is stopping on a multi-lane commuter road. Even other public school bus drivers in their yellow buses don’t stop for their fellow flashing light stop sign out buses. No one sees the little sign in the bright sun, drivers are too busy minding the crazy traffic and drivers pulling out every 10 meters.


The little sign is attached to a big orange bus with flashing lights.

And most drivers aren't "commuting" at school bus drop-off times, they're just driving.


Doesn’t matter.

No one sees the sign, too busy on the road. No one is stopping. County and MCPS does nothing, even to their own drivers in violation.