Anonymous
Post 05/05/2023 07:32     Subject: Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

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Anonymous wrote:Forget the rice, sweet potatoes, and most fruit. Get your carbs from nuts and berries. Green and white vegetables are good (broccoli, kale, green peppers, cauliflower, onion, radish) … skip the corn, carrots, etc.


There is no need to drop any foods and definitely not nutritious things like sweet potatoes or fruit. All you need to do is control your calories if you need to lose fat. And nuts are actually not ideal as they are very calorie dense and easy to overeat. Nothing wrong with them, but they need to be carefully tracked.
Oh boy, where do I start. There might not be a need for YOU to drop any foods, but for many people, this is the way. The nutrition provided by sweet potatoes and nearly all fruit, compared to the sugars included, is not worth it. Despite the conventional wisdom, it is not always only about calories. As I said, berries and nuts are the best trade off.


I would agree if you had said to drop highly processed foods, fast food and very fatty foods with limited nutrition, but it is ridiculous to not eat fruit. Again, fat loss is about calories and you might want to get the bulk of those calories from the most nutritious whole foods. Sugar in fruits is a non-issue.
Please stop with the nonsense. Any sugar can be an issue…it depends on the person. That’s the point. If someone thinks they are consuming a low calorie diet but is not losing, it’s the carbs and sugars. Fat is good for you as a signal to stop eating. Regarding fast food, I will say this: A Big Mac extra value meal with a Diet Coke is more nutritious and has lower glycemic impact and sodium than a Starbucks low fat muffin. That’s not an endorsement of fast food. I don’t believe anyone orders a Big Mac because they think it’s healthy. But the contrary is true when it comes to ordering a low fat muffin. And that low fat muffin is one of the worse things out there. Fat doesn’t make us fat and foods with cholesterol don’t give us high cholesterol.


There isn’t a single word in this response about fruit.

Nobody is maintaining excess weight by eating fruit. Well, maybe if they eat like two buckets of mangos a day.

People are definitely maintaining excess weight by eating garbage like micdonalds or “low fat muffins” from Starbucks. Subsisting on that stuff is a great way to get fat and stay that way.

Eating fresh fruit? Not so much.
The point is, the total of all sugars consumed can lead to excess weight, regardless of the source of that sugar. Fruit has a lot of sugar, relative to its nutritional benefits. So if your body has a problem with sugars, then the foods you do eat that have substantial sugars should be the most nutrient dense and antioxidant dense possible, relative to their glycemic effects. Fruits generally would be way down on the list.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 23:12     Subject: Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

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Anonymous wrote:Forget the rice, sweet potatoes, and most fruit. Get your carbs from nuts and berries. Green and white vegetables are good (broccoli, kale, green peppers, cauliflower, onion, radish) … skip the corn, carrots, etc.


There is no need to drop any foods and definitely not nutritious things like sweet potatoes or fruit. All you need to do is control your calories if you need to lose fat. And nuts are actually not ideal as they are very calorie dense and easy to overeat. Nothing wrong with them, but they need to be carefully tracked.
Oh boy, where do I start. There might not be a need for YOU to drop any foods, but for many people, this is the way. The nutrition provided by sweet potatoes and nearly all fruit, compared to the sugars included, is not worth it. Despite the conventional wisdom, it is not always only about calories. As I said, berries and nuts are the best trade off.


I would agree if you had said to drop highly processed foods, fast food and very fatty foods with limited nutrition, but it is ridiculous to not eat fruit. Again, fat loss is about calories and you might want to get the bulk of those calories from the most nutritious whole foods. Sugar in fruits is a non-issue.
Please stop with the nonsense. Any sugar can be an issue…it depends on the person. That’s the point. If someone thinks they are consuming a low calorie diet but is not losing, it’s the carbs and sugars. Fat is good for you as a signal to stop eating. Regarding fast food, I will say this: A Big Mac extra value meal with a Diet Coke is more nutritious and has lower glycemic impact and sodium than a Starbucks low fat muffin. That’s not an endorsement of fast food. I don’t believe anyone orders a Big Mac because they think it’s healthy. But the contrary is true when it comes to ordering a low fat muffin. And that low fat muffin is one of the worse things out there. Fat doesn’t make us fat and foods with cholesterol don’t give us high cholesterol.


There isn’t a single word in this response about fruit.

Nobody is maintaining excess weight by eating fruit. Well, maybe if they eat like two buckets of mangos a day.

People are definitely maintaining excess weight by eating garbage like micdonalds or “low fat muffins” from Starbucks. Subsisting on that stuff is a great way to get fat and stay that way.

Eating fresh fruit? Not so much.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 22:46     Subject: Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Forget the rice, sweet potatoes, and most fruit. Get your carbs from nuts and berries. Green and white vegetables are good (broccoli, kale, green peppers, cauliflower, onion, radish) … skip the corn, carrots, etc.


There is no need to drop any foods and definitely not nutritious things like sweet potatoes or fruit. All you need to do is control your calories if you need to lose fat. And nuts are actually not ideal as they are very calorie dense and easy to overeat. Nothing wrong with them, but they need to be carefully tracked.
Oh boy, where do I start. There might not be a need for YOU to drop any foods, but for many people, this is the way. The nutrition provided by sweet potatoes and nearly all fruit, compared to the sugars included, is not worth it. Despite the conventional wisdom, it is not always only about calories. As I said, berries and nuts are the best trade off.


I would agree if you had said to drop highly processed foods, fast food and very fatty foods with limited nutrition, but it is ridiculous to not eat fruit. Again, fat loss is about calories and you might want to get the bulk of those calories from the most nutritious whole foods. Sugar in fruits is a non-issue.
Please stop with the nonsense. Any sugar can be an issue…it depends on the person. That’s the point. If someone thinks they are consuming a low calorie diet but is not losing, it’s the carbs and sugars. Fat is good for you as a signal to stop eating. Regarding fast food, I will say this: A Big Mac extra value meal with a Diet Coke is more nutritious and has lower glycemic impact and sodium than a Starbucks low fat muffin. That’s not an endorsement of fast food. I don’t believe anyone orders a Big Mac because they think it’s healthy. But the contrary is true when it comes to ordering a low fat muffin. And that low fat muffin is one of the worse things out there. Fat doesn’t make us fat and foods with cholesterol don’t give us high cholesterol.


I did not say fat is bad or that you need to order a low calorie muffin. I emphasized that the focus when dieting should be on whole nutritious foods, including fruits. Fat is calorie dense which is the main reason it needs to be controlled on a diet to fit into deficit calories. And a deficit is the one thing that is absolutely necessary to lose fat. People who think they are eating low calories and are not losing are in fact eating too many calories. You can lose weight just fine eating sugar only if you stay in a calorie deficit. Would it be smart? No. But consuming sugar won’t prevent fat loss.
We will have to agree to disagree.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 22:20     Subject: Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Forget the rice, sweet potatoes, and most fruit. Get your carbs from nuts and berries. Green and white vegetables are good (broccoli, kale, green peppers, cauliflower, onion, radish) … skip the corn, carrots, etc.


There is no need to drop any foods and definitely not nutritious things like sweet potatoes or fruit. All you need to do is control your calories if you need to lose fat. And nuts are actually not ideal as they are very calorie dense and easy to overeat. Nothing wrong with them, but they need to be carefully tracked.
Oh boy, where do I start. There might not be a need for YOU to drop any foods, but for many people, this is the way. The nutrition provided by sweet potatoes and nearly all fruit, compared to the sugars included, is not worth it. Despite the conventional wisdom, it is not always only about calories. As I said, berries and nuts are the best trade off.


I would agree if you had said to drop highly processed foods, fast food and very fatty foods with limited nutrition, but it is ridiculous to not eat fruit. Again, fat loss is about calories and you might want to get the bulk of those calories from the most nutritious whole foods. Sugar in fruits is a non-issue.
Please stop with the nonsense. Any sugar can be an issue…it depends on the person. That’s the point. If someone thinks they are consuming a low calorie diet but is not losing, it’s the carbs and sugars. Fat is good for you as a signal to stop eating. Regarding fast food, I will say this: A Big Mac extra value meal with a Diet Coke is more nutritious and has lower glycemic impact and sodium than a Starbucks low fat muffin. That’s not an endorsement of fast food. I don’t believe anyone orders a Big Mac because they think it’s healthy. But the contrary is true when it comes to ordering a low fat muffin. And that low fat muffin is one of the worse things out there. Fat doesn’t make us fat and foods with cholesterol don’t give us high cholesterol.


I did not say fat is bad or that you need to order a low calorie muffin. I emphasized that the focus when dieting should be on whole nutritious foods, including fruits. Fat is calorie dense which is the main reason it needs to be controlled on a diet to fit into deficit calories. And a deficit is the one thing that is absolutely necessary to lose fat. People who think they are eating low calories and are not losing are in fact eating too many calories. You can lose weight just fine eating sugar only if you stay in a calorie deficit. Would it be smart? No. But consuming sugar won’t prevent fat loss.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 20:42     Subject: Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Forget the rice, sweet potatoes, and most fruit. Get your carbs from nuts and berries. Green and white vegetables are good (broccoli, kale, green peppers, cauliflower, onion, radish) … skip the corn, carrots, etc.


There is no need to drop any foods and definitely not nutritious things like sweet potatoes or fruit. All you need to do is control your calories if you need to lose fat. And nuts are actually not ideal as they are very calorie dense and easy to overeat. Nothing wrong with them, but they need to be carefully tracked.
Oh boy, where do I start. There might not be a need for YOU to drop any foods, but for many people, this is the way. The nutrition provided by sweet potatoes and nearly all fruit, compared to the sugars included, is not worth it. Despite the conventional wisdom, it is not always only about calories. As I said, berries and nuts are the best trade off.


I would agree if you had said to drop highly processed foods, fast food and very fatty foods with limited nutrition, but it is ridiculous to not eat fruit. Again, fat loss is about calories and you might want to get the bulk of those calories from the most nutritious whole foods. Sugar in fruits is a non-issue.
Please stop with the nonsense. Any sugar can be an issue…it depends on the person. That’s the point. If someone thinks they are consuming a low calorie diet but is not losing, it’s the carbs and sugars. Fat is good for you as a signal to stop eating. Regarding fast food, I will say this: A Big Mac extra value meal with a Diet Coke is more nutritious and has lower glycemic impact and sodium than a Starbucks low fat muffin. That’s not an endorsement of fast food. I don’t believe anyone orders a Big Mac because they think it’s healthy. But the contrary is true when it comes to ordering a low fat muffin. And that low fat muffin is one of the worse things out there. Fat doesn’t make us fat and foods with cholesterol don’t give us high cholesterol.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 15:08     Subject: Re:Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

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Anonymous wrote:OP—how old are you?


My question too!! Totally different if you answer 32 vs 45


This is total BS. Calorie deficit works the same at any age. And 32 vs 45 really does not make a material difference.


Nonsense, PP.


Well, I am 42 and did not notice any difference in my ability to lose fat. You eat in calorie deficit, you don't sit all day, you lift weights and you will lose. I don't expect three more years to change anything about that.


I'm 49. I thought like you at 42, too.


And what are you going to say to the PP who lost 100lbs between 52-54? Age by itself has nothing to do with your ability to lose fat. Laws of thermodynamics still apply at older age.


It's totally wrong to say age has nothing to do with your ability to lose fat. It's well-established that people's metabolisms slow as they age and that the hormonal changes associated with menopause make it more difficult to lose fat. No one is saying it's impossible, obviously, but it is absolutely harder than it is when you're younger.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/weight-loss-women-menopause-midlife-9de0a8c0
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 15:05     Subject: Re:Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP—how old are you?


My question too!! Totally different if you answer 32 vs 45


This is total BS. Calorie deficit works the same at any age. And 32 vs 45 really does not make a material difference.


Nonsense, PP.


Well, I am 42 and did not notice any difference in my ability to lose fat. You eat in calorie deficit, you don't sit all day, you lift weights and you will lose. I don't expect three more years to change anything about that.


I'm 49. I thought like you at 42, too.


And what are you going to say to the PP who lost 100lbs between 52-54? Age by itself has nothing to do with your ability to lose fat. Laws of thermodynamics still apply at older age.


Nobody said you cannot lose weight in menopause. Keep up.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 14:48     Subject: Re:Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP—how old are you?


My question too!! Totally different if you answer 32 vs 45


This is total BS. Calorie deficit works the same at any age. And 32 vs 45 really does not make a material difference.


Nonsense, PP.


Well, I am 42 and did not notice any difference in my ability to lose fat. You eat in calorie deficit, you don't sit all day, you lift weights and you will lose. I don't expect three more years to change anything about that.


Oh honey. You’re only 42? God bless.


Well, what shall I tell you? I am glad you found yourself an excuse to stay fat.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 14:46     Subject: Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Forget the rice, sweet potatoes, and most fruit. Get your carbs from nuts and berries. Green and white vegetables are good (broccoli, kale, green peppers, cauliflower, onion, radish) … skip the corn, carrots, etc.


There is no need to drop any foods and definitely not nutritious things like sweet potatoes or fruit. All you need to do is control your calories if you need to lose fat. And nuts are actually not ideal as they are very calorie dense and easy to overeat. Nothing wrong with them, but they need to be carefully tracked.
Oh boy, where do I start. There might not be a need for YOU to drop any foods, but for many people, this is the way. The nutrition provided by sweet potatoes and nearly all fruit, compared to the sugars included, is not worth it. Despite the conventional wisdom, it is not always only about calories. As I said, berries and nuts are the best trade off.


I would agree if you had said to drop highly processed foods, fast food and very fatty foods with limited nutrition, but it is ridiculous to not eat fruit. Again, fat loss is about calories and you might want to get the bulk of those calories from the most nutritious whole foods. Sugar in fruits is a non-issue.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 14:44     Subject: Re:Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP—how old are you?


My question too!! Totally different if you answer 32 vs 45


This is total BS. Calorie deficit works the same at any age. And 32 vs 45 really does not make a material difference.


Nonsense, PP.


Well, I am 42 and did not notice any difference in my ability to lose fat. You eat in calorie deficit, you don't sit all day, you lift weights and you will lose. I don't expect three more years to change anything about that.


I'm 49. I thought like you at 42, too.


And what are you going to say to the PP who lost 100lbs between 52-54? Age by itself has nothing to do with your ability to lose fat. Laws of thermodynamics still apply at older age.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 14:12     Subject: Re:Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP—how old are you?


My question too!! Totally different if you answer 32 vs 45


This is total BS. Calorie deficit works the same at any age. And 32 vs 45 really does not make a material difference.


Nonsense, PP.


Well, I am 42 and did not notice any difference in my ability to lose fat. You eat in calorie deficit, you don't sit all day, you lift weights and you will lose. I don't expect three more years to change anything about that.


Oh honey. You’re only 42? God bless.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 13:39     Subject: Re:Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OP—how old are you?


My question too!! Totally different if you answer 32 vs 45


This is total BS. Calorie deficit works the same at any age. And 32 vs 45 really does not make a material difference.


Nonsense, PP.


Well, I am 42 and did not notice any difference in my ability to lose fat. You eat in calorie deficit, you don't sit all day, you lift weights and you will lose. I don't expect three more years to change anything about that.


I'm 49. I thought like you at 42, too.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 12:27     Subject: Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Forget the rice, sweet potatoes, and most fruit. Get your carbs from nuts and berries. Green and white vegetables are good (broccoli, kale, green peppers, cauliflower, onion, radish) … skip the corn, carrots, etc.


There is no need to drop any foods and definitely not nutritious things like sweet potatoes or fruit. All you need to do is control your calories if you need to lose fat. And nuts are actually not ideal as they are very calorie dense and easy to overeat. Nothing wrong with them, but they need to be carefully tracked.
Oh boy, where do I start. There might not be a need for YOU to drop any foods, but for many people, this is the way. The nutrition provided by sweet potatoes and nearly all fruit, compared to the sugars included, is not worth it. Despite the conventional wisdom, it is not always only about calories. As I said, berries and nuts are the best trade off.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 10:49     Subject: Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:lack of sleep and muscle loss in peri and menopause make weight loss harder.


but not impossible


Ok strawman. No one said it was impossible, just harder at menopause than before.


I lost about a hundred pounds between age 52-54 just through diet (no drugs, no heavy exercise just walking). I'm on the high end of normal now down from obese.

A pound a week is doable, but easier the more overweight you are, imho.
Anonymous
Post 05/04/2023 10:04     Subject: Is 8lb in 2 months possible?

Anonymous wrote:Forget the rice, sweet potatoes, and most fruit. Get your carbs from nuts and berries. Green and white vegetables are good (broccoli, kale, green peppers, cauliflower, onion, radish) … skip the corn, carrots, etc.


There is no need to drop any foods and definitely not nutritious things like sweet potatoes or fruit. All you need to do is control your calories if you need to lose fat. And nuts are actually not ideal as they are very calorie dense and easy to overeat. Nothing wrong with them, but they need to be carefully tracked.