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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually it is a proven fact that hunter gatherers lived a lifestyle with more leisure time and better treatment of women than after the transition to agricultural society.

“"Did our hunter-gatherers have it better off?" James Lancester asks in a recent issue of The New Yorker.

"We're flattering ourselves by believing that their existence was so grim and that our modern, civilized one is, by comparison, so great," Lancester writes.”

“A study back in the 1960s found the Bushmen have figured out a way to work only about 15 hours each week acquiring food and then another 15 to 20 hours on domestic chores. The rest of the time they could relax and focus on family, friends and hobbies.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/01/551018759/are-hunter-gatherers-the-happiest-humans-to-inhabit-earth

Yes, I long for an era when I could squat in a field and give birth? Or sleep on rocks.

I kind of do. If you’ve given birth in a hospital it’s really not nice if you don’t absolutely need to be there. And I’m pretty sure our hunter gatherer ancestors made themselves comfortable at night however they could.

The point is, a lot of the creature comforts we have now have come at an exceptional cost in terms of one’s ability to simply live without working all the time.

I did give birth in a hospital. Had a C-section because my baby was 12 pounds at birth. I would have died in that field long ago.

And many women have died in the hopsital that wouldn’t have if they’d been at home. This thread isn’t about modern health care system but let’s not pretend it’s actually working all that well! Especially as maternal mortality rates in the US rise.

Natural birth nut job twaddle and misinformation.

Absolutely not. Go read the studies you weirdo. Modern medicine saves many more lives than it harms but it’s not perfect.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

This poster always does this. I think it’s possible that the idea that we aren’t comfortable with where things are for everyone is threatening to people that belong to groups that have made big gains over the last century. I know I feel it sometimes when people say things like—“it was so much better when women were at home with kids” etc etc. but that’s not what we’re talking about here.

I’m talking about a world that looks like the one we have, but even better, where women and men from every background have equal opportunities to thrive because they aren’t being absolutely crushed by the top 1% who have made obscene profits off of the technological advancements that are supposed to be making our lives better but are leaving us burnt out instead. Our productivity expectations today are insane compared to the generation of people before us. When I first started my professional career having ONE client meeting a day was a big deal. Now I have ten that I cram in the same number of hours because technology. I don’t think my pay increased to reflect that. Just an example.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually it is a proven fact that hunter gatherers lived a lifestyle with more leisure time and better treatment of women than after the transition to agricultural society.

“"Did our hunter-gatherers have it better off?" James Lancester asks in a recent issue of The New Yorker.

"We're flattering ourselves by believing that their existence was so grim and that our modern, civilized one is, by comparison, so great," Lancester writes.”

“A study back in the 1960s found the Bushmen have figured out a way to work only about 15 hours each week acquiring food and then another 15 to 20 hours on domestic chores. The rest of the time they could relax and focus on family, friends and hobbies.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/01/551018759/are-hunter-gatherers-the-happiest-humans-to-inhabit-earth

Yes, I long for an era when I could squat in a field and give birth? Or sleep on rocks.

I kind of do. If you’ve given birth in a hospital it’s really not nice if you don’t absolutely need to be there. And I’m pretty sure our hunter gatherer ancestors made themselves comfortable at night however they could.

The point is, a lot of the creature comforts we have now have come at an exceptional cost in terms of one’s ability to simply live without working all the time.

I did give birth in a hospital. Had a C-section because my baby was 12 pounds at birth. I would have died in that field long ago.

And many women have died in the hopsital that wouldn’t have if they’d been at home. This thread isn’t about modern health care system but let’s not pretend it’s actually working all that well! Especially as maternal mortality rates in the US rise.

Natural birth nut job twaddle and misinformation.

Absolutely not. Go read the studies you weirdo. Modern medicine saves many more lives than it harms but it’s not perfect.

Oh I see we are breaking down into a binary tribe: natural birth vs hospital birth

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

No one is minimizing the very real threats faced by previous generations. We are simply stating that the removal of those threats by medical science don't diminish the threats made to our mental health by other advancements. Just like the rates of death by boars in the wild on a boar hunt are not minimized by the death by machinery in factories. Stop arguing nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually it is a proven fact that hunter gatherers lived a lifestyle with more leisure time and better treatment of women than after the transition to agricultural society.

“"Did our hunter-gatherers have it better off?" James Lancester asks in a recent issue of The New Yorker.

"We're flattering ourselves by believing that their existence was so grim and that our modern, civilized one is, by comparison, so great," Lancester writes.”

“A study back in the 1960s found the Bushmen have figured out a way to work only about 15 hours each week acquiring food and then another 15 to 20 hours on domestic chores. The rest of the time they could relax and focus on family, friends and hobbies.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/01/551018759/are-hunter-gatherers-the-happiest-humans-to-inhabit-earth

Yes, I long for an era when I could squat in a field and give birth? Or sleep on rocks.

I kind of do. If you’ve given birth in a hospital it’s really not nice if you don’t absolutely need to be there. And I’m pretty sure our hunter gatherer ancestors made themselves comfortable at night however they could.

The point is, a lot of the creature comforts we have now have come at an exceptional cost in terms of one’s ability to simply live without working all the time.

I did give birth in a hospital. Had a C-section because my baby was 12 pounds at birth. I would have died in that field long ago.

And many women have died in the hopsital that wouldn’t have if they’d been at home. This thread isn’t about modern health care system but let’s not pretend it’s actually working all that well! Especially as maternal mortality rates in the US rise.

Natural birth nut job twaddle and misinformation.

Absolutely not. Go read the studies you weirdo. Modern medicine saves many more lives than it harms but it’s not perfect.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually it is a proven fact that hunter gatherers lived a lifestyle with more leisure time and better treatment of women than after the transition to agricultural society.

“"Did our hunter-gatherers have it better off?" James Lancester asks in a recent issue of The New Yorker.

"We're flattering ourselves by believing that their existence was so grim and that our modern, civilized one is, by comparison, so great," Lancester writes.”

“A study back in the 1960s found the Bushmen have figured out a way to work only about 15 hours each week acquiring food and then another 15 to 20 hours on domestic chores. The rest of the time they could relax and focus on family, friends and hobbies.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/01/551018759/are-hunter-gatherers-the-happiest-humans-to-inhabit-earth

Yes, I long for an era when I could squat in a field and give birth? Or sleep on rocks.

I kind of do. If you’ve given birth in a hospital it’s really not nice if you don’t absolutely need to be there. And I’m pretty sure our hunter gatherer ancestors made themselves comfortable at night however they could.

The point is, a lot of the creature comforts we have now have come at an exceptional cost in terms of one’s ability to simply live without working all the time.

I did give birth in a hospital. Had a C-section because my baby was 12 pounds at birth. I would have died in that field long ago.

And many women have died in the hopsital that wouldn’t have if they’d been at home. This thread isn’t about modern health care system but let’s not pretend it’s actually working all that well! Especially as maternal mortality rates in the US rise.

Natural birth nut job twaddle and misinformation.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually, it is quite complicated for our brains. Our brains have real limitations and will be unlikely to evolve to manage them as we can't process more information compared to what people 100s of years ago processed but our brains are processing more for longer periods of time. This is why they hypothesize the rise in anxiety, ADHD, ADD, sleep issues, etc. Even something as small as blue light disruption over decades creates long-term sleep issues. You can compare it to the way light at night disrupts the flights of nocturnally migrating animals. Your brain is quite literally performing 1000s of processes just sitting in a room talking. Add in dings from cell phones. Fluroscent lights. The glare of the TV or other screens. Honking from horns or the sounds of trucks running past. The radio playing loudly in the background. Your brain has to process in order to filter it out even if you don't purposefully filter it out.

We interact with more people than ever -both directly and indirectly. We have more visual and auditory stimuli. Humans are overly stimulated and underconnected. The stresses are absolutely different.

I would like you to try and tell a Holocaust survivor or a Rwanda genocide survivor, to just pick two horrors, that actually your life is harder than theirs because of blue light and cell phone dings.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

Right. Hunter gatherers where femicide was often enthusiastically practiced, women died regularly in childbirth, and lifespan was maybe 40. The good old days. So much awesomeness.

… Have you ever even spoken to an anthropologist?

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually, it is quite complicated for our brains. Our brains have real limitations and will be unlikely to evolve to manage them as we can't process more information compared to what people 100s of years ago processed but our brains are processing more for longer periods of time. This is why they hypothesize the rise in anxiety, ADHD, ADD, sleep issues, etc. Even something as small as blue light disruption over decades creates long-term sleep issues. You can compare it to the way light at night disrupts the flights of nocturnally migrating animals. Your brain is quite literally performing 1000s of processes just sitting in a room talking. Add in dings from cell phones. Fluroscent lights. The glare of the TV or other screens. Honking from horns or the sounds of trucks running past. The radio playing loudly in the background. Your brain has to process in order to filter it out even if you don't purposefully filter it out.

We interact with more people than ever -both directly and indirectly. We have more visual and auditory stimuli. Humans are overly stimulated and underconnected. The stresses are absolutely different.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually it is a proven fact that hunter gatherers lived a lifestyle with more leisure time and better treatment of women than after the transition to agricultural society.

“"Did our hunter-gatherers have it better off?" James Lancester asks in a recent issue of The New Yorker.

"We're flattering ourselves by believing that their existence was so grim and that our modern, civilized one is, by comparison, so great," Lancester writes.”

“A study back in the 1960s found the Bushmen have figured out a way to work only about 15 hours each week acquiring food and then another 15 to 20 hours on domestic chores. The rest of the time they could relax and focus on family, friends and hobbies.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/01/551018759/are-hunter-gatherers-the-happiest-humans-to-inhabit-earth

Yes, I long for an era when I could squat in a field and give birth? Or sleep on rocks.

I kind of do. If you’ve given birth in a hospital it’s really not nice if you don’t absolutely need to be there. And I’m pretty sure our hunter gatherer ancestors made themselves comfortable at night however they could.

The point is, a lot of the creature comforts we have now have come at an exceptional cost in terms of one’s ability to simply live without working all the time.

I did give birth in a hospital. Had a C-section because my baby was 12 pounds at birth. I would have died in that field long ago.

And many women have died in the hopsital that wouldn’t have if they’d been at home. This thread isn’t about modern health care system but let’s not pretend it’s actually working all that well! Especially as maternal mortality rates in the US rise.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

I think physically our lives are a lot less stressful and easier to exist. But our mental burdens are much much greater. People centuries ago lived simple lives, did their daily honest (usually physical) work, went home, slept, repeat. There was a stronger sense of family, community, religion. People knew who they were and where they belonged. Relationships lasted your whole life and weren't torn apart by distance and people moving.

Yes, slaves in the American South certainly were living in a stress-free environment where family wasn’t torn apart. Those Native Americans on the Trail of Tears were just enjoying a nice walk.

What is wrong with you?? My God.

Are you not aware yet that we are discussing hunter gatherer societies and not the antebellum south? You are arguing with yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually it is a proven fact that hunter gatherers lived a lifestyle with more leisure time and better treatment of women than after the transition to agricultural society.

“"Did our hunter-gatherers have it better off?" James Lancester asks in a recent issue of The New Yorker.

"We're flattering ourselves by believing that their existence was so grim and that our modern, civilized one is, by comparison, so great," Lancester writes.”

“A study back in the 1960s found the Bushmen have figured out a way to work only about 15 hours each week acquiring food and then another 15 to 20 hours on domestic chores. The rest of the time they could relax and focus on family, friends and hobbies.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/01/551018759/are-hunter-gatherers-the-happiest-humans-to-inhabit-earth

Yes, I long for an era when I could squat in a field and give birth? Or sleep on rocks.

I kind of do. If you’ve given birth in a hospital it’s really not nice if you don’t absolutely need to be there. And I’m pretty sure our hunter gatherer ancestors made themselves comfortable at night however they could.

The point is, a lot of the creature comforts we have now have come at an exceptional cost in terms of one’s ability to simply live without working all the time.

I did give birth in a hospital. Had a C-section because my baby was 12 pounds at birth. I would have died in that field long ago.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually it is a proven fact that hunter gatherers lived a lifestyle with more leisure time and better treatment of women than after the transition to agricultural society.

“"Did our hunter-gatherers have it better off?" James Lancester asks in a recent issue of The New Yorker.

"We're flattering ourselves by believing that their existence was so grim and that our modern, civilized one is, by comparison, so great," Lancester writes.”

“A study back in the 1960s found the Bushmen have figured out a way to work only about 15 hours each week acquiring food and then another 15 to 20 hours on domestic chores. The rest of the time they could relax and focus on family, friends and hobbies.”

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/10/01/551018759/are-hunter-gatherers-the-happiest-humans-to-inhabit-earth

Yes, I long for an era when I could squat in a field and give birth? Or sleep on rocks.

I kind of do. If you’ve given birth in a hospital it’s really not nice if you don’t absolutely need to be there. And I’m pretty sure our hunter gatherer ancestors made themselves comfortable at night however they could.

The point is, a lot of the creature comforts we have now have come at an exceptional cost in terms of one’s ability to simply live without working all the time.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.

Actually, it is quite complicated for our brains. Our brains have real limitations and will be unlikely to evolve to manage them as we can't process more information compared to what people 100s of years ago processed but our brains are processing more for longer periods of time. This is why they hypothesize the rise in anxiety, ADHD, ADD, sleep issues, etc. Even something as small as blue light disruption over decades creates long-term sleep issues. You can compare it to the way light at night disrupts the flights of nocturnally migrating animals. Your brain is quite literally performing 1000s of processes just sitting in a room talking. Add in dings from cell phones. Fluroscent lights. The glare of the TV or other screens. Honking from horns or the sounds of trucks running past. The radio playing loudly in the background. Your brain has to process in order to filter it out even if you don't purposefully filter it out.

We interact with more people than ever -both directly and indirectly. We have more visual and auditory stimuli. Humans are overly stimulated and underconnected. The stresses are absolutely different.

Anonymous wrote:Oh come on. It is plainly not more stressful and complicated for people to exist now. This is probably the easiest and least complicated time to exist ever.

It’s unbelievable indulgent and myopic to claim that now is the most stressful and complicated time to exist while living in a country with a history including slavery, multiple wars, Native American genocide, and where most people couldn’t even vote for much of the time. Good Lord. Get some perspective.