Anonymous wrote:this whole site is full of jealous women backbiting at each other.

Like OP

Schedule my kids' events on my calendar and stick to them. Make certain to plan quality vacations. We go to church and brunch together every Sunday as a family.

this whole site is full of jealous women backbiting at each other.

Anonymous wrote:The women commenting that it’s not worth it, they’d rather make less money than work harder etc. have not had the opportunity to be a VP or anything close— let’s be real. They don’t have career ambition and that’s fine. It’s fine for people to be different. It doesn’t make you better or worse. But there are plenty of women who are able to make real careers work in corporate and their kids are perfectly fine, happy, well adjusted and benefiting from a lifestyle that couldn’t be afforded otherwise. This is of course company and job dependent but it’s definitely not impossible for many, many women, including me (VP with kids under 8).

I agree, this sort of women-fighting-women commentary is so unhelpful. These are backhanded insults under the guise of "it's okay for us to be different."

"It doesn't make you better or worse..." but I, with my VP and kids under 8, am clearly better." FTFY

Anonymous wrote:This thread is why it is 2023 and gender bias still exists. Women are pitted against women. Do you ever hear of males asking each other to justify their decisions? I know a ton of stay at home dads and workaholic dads applauded by their effing communities. Applause. Even more applause. No matter what they decide. Women? Greedy. No ambition. Sad.

Stop the narratives that arent helping any of us!

The person who has made it worthwhile for me to be a WOHM and SAHM at various times in my life has been my husband. Men do not judge the way women do. And they can take the wholistic view of what is success. My successful husband values an intact, happy family and happy, well adjusted, high achieveing kids. His success means nothing if our kids are failing in life.

My deeply unhappy and unsuccessful college friend who is constantly stressed asked me "Your DH cooks and you have a cleaning lady, your kids are grown, what VALUE do you ADD to the family?" I laughed. What can I say? Just because someone is a woman, it does not mean they are feminists. Women like my "friend" are certainly not feminists, they are just Kunts/Dicks.

This thread is why it is 2023 and gender bias still exists. Women are pitted against women. Do you ever hear of males asking each other to justify their decisions? I know a ton of stay at home dads and workaholic dads applauded by their effing communities. Applause. Even more applause. No matter what they decide. Women? Greedy. No ambition. Sad.

Stop the narratives that arent helping any of us!

This thread shows everything wrong with working and workaholics

There is 0 reason why things can't get done in a 40 hour work week

Op I have sympathy but life is about choices.

You can choose to delegate at work in addition to delegating at home

You can set an example and actually promote work balance. You can block your calendar and only check email at certain times etc.

Changing a work culture is hard, personally I would probably leave your org but at your level you can actually have an impact

Anonymous wrote:The women commenting that it’s not worth it, they’d rather make less money than work harder etc. have not had the opportunity to be a VP or anything close— let’s be real. They don’t have career ambition and that’s fine. It’s fine for people to be different. It doesn’t make you better or worse. But there are plenty of women who are able to make real careers work in corporate and their kids are perfectly fine, happy, well adjusted and benefiting from a lifestyle that couldn’t be afforded otherwise. This is of course company and job dependent but it’s definitely not impossible for many, many women, including me (VP with kids under 8).

Ah there we go, it’s about greed. Being a greedy woman.

Anonymous wrote:The women commenting that it’s not worth it, they’d rather make less money than work harder etc. have not had the opportunity to be a VP or anything close— let’s be real. They don’t have career ambition and that’s fine. It’s fine for people to be different. It doesn’t make you better or worse. But there are plenty of women who are able to make real careers work in corporate and their kids are perfectly fine, happy, well adjusted and benefiting from a lifestyle that couldn’t be afforded otherwise. This is of course company and job dependent but it’s definitely not impossible for many, many women, including me (VP with kids under 8).

What an insufferable twat. A “real career”?

The women commenting that it’s not worth it, they’d rather make less money than work harder etc. have not had the opportunity to be a VP or anything close— let’s be real. They don’t have career ambition and that’s fine. It’s fine for people to be different. It doesn’t make you better or worse. But there are plenty of women who are able to make real careers work in corporate and their kids are perfectly fine, happy, well adjusted and benefiting from a lifestyle that couldn’t be afforded otherwise. This is of course company and job dependent but it’s definitely not impossible for many, many women, including me (VP with kids under 8).

All the women I know who are VPs and have kids didn’t get their position until their kids were in middle school or higher.

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Anonymous wrote:VP here …childfree!

If true, You are so sad. On so many levels. That you would post it with exclamations. You didn’t need to forego family for a career, you missed out.

Ugh get off your high horse. I am thrilled that the current and younger generations are strong enough to stand firm when they don't want to have kids. Those who think the only way to be happy in life is to have children are so short sighted. Just because you are defined by having kids doesn't mean that is the best life for everyone else. Better to choose a child free life than to have to raise unwanted kids just because self righteous pearl clutchers coerced them into it.

I have two very professionally successful female friends. One is always working and simply doesn't get any time with her daughter. She has always been very ambitious but I truly don't know why she had a child. She rarely sees her in any meaningful way.

The other is a bit better and her job allows her to work from home and take breaks in the middle of the day more. She still misses a lot because she travels for work. Her DH is the main parent and I know her kids crave her presence more, but she's hoping to slow down in the coming years.

Young kids really want you around. Teens don't, but they need you around anyway. I don't know why any man or woman who has children wants a job that's more than 40 hours/week unless it's something really meaningful. Big law, consulting, PR, whatever it is, doesn't count. Very few jobs are worth giving up raising your family.

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Anonymous wrote:God, I wish that corporate leaders (read male leaders) would read this thread and understand what it's like.

I actually left a big PR agency and started my own firm. It was a ton of work to get it off the ground, but now I have more flexibility over my schedule and time with my kids. I now offer actual flexibility to my employees as part of our values. I had to - plus the women on our team, with and without kids seem to enjoy the no-questions asked time off. I don't need to know if they take time off for a sick kid, a sick pet, or a desire to drink margs and eat chips on a Wednesday. The productivity and deliverables far exceed the work being done at the big firm.

I don’t get why anyone wants to be executive except greed and $$$$$.

So you’re saying you don’t make good money. Got it.

There are trade offs in life. Making “good money” isn’t useful if you need a nanny, cook, driver, housekeeper, lawn care specialists, etc to stay afloat from day-to-day. Oh and you never see your kids.

Nope. No nanny cook driver housekeeper. Landscapers yes but really everyone has that.
Balanced life and home bc I’ve been WFH for over a decade before the pandemic.
Just bc you couldn’t do it, couldn’t see a path to it, and failed to realize your potential - as small as it probably was - don’t judge others for reaching theirs.
Also I hope you don’t have female children bc women like u are holding back our progress

You have a very narrow view of “potential,” associating it only with climbing the corporate ladder. LOL @ your last sentence.

You have a very narrow view of life and career that you think you had to make the trade offs. I’m sorry that you did. I hope you are fulfilled now that the kids are gone.

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Anonymous wrote:God, I wish that corporate leaders (read male leaders) would read this thread and understand what it's like.

I actually left a big PR agency and started my own firm. It was a ton of work to get it off the ground, but now I have more flexibility over my schedule and time with my kids. I now offer actual flexibility to my employees as part of our values. I had to - plus the women on our team, with and without kids seem to enjoy the no-questions asked time off. I don't need to know if they take time off for a sick kid, a sick pet, or a desire to drink margs and eat chips on a Wednesday. The productivity and deliverables far exceed the work being done at the big firm.

I don’t get why anyone wants to be executive except greed and $$$$$.

So you’re saying you don’t make good money. Got it.

There are trade offs in life. Making “good money” isn’t useful if you need a nanny, cook, driver, housekeeper, lawn care specialists, etc to stay afloat from day-to-day. Oh and you never see your kids.

Nope. No nanny cook driver housekeeper. Landscapers yes but really everyone has that.
Balanced life and home bc I’ve been WFH for over a decade before the pandemic.
Just bc you couldn’t do it, couldn’t see a path to it, and failed to realize your potential - as small as it probably was - don’t judge others for reaching theirs.
Also I hope you don’t have female children bc women like u are holding back our progress

You have a very narrow view of “potential,” associating it only with climbing the corporate ladder. LOL @ your last sentence.