Anonymous
Post 03/31/2023 07:01     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Complaints I've picked up from others:

1. Decline in student quality due to COVID but also longer term structural educational and admissions policies. Even at elite colleges, more kids are turning up without basic learning skills and knowledge that was once taken for granted.

2. Colleges are far more ideological places than they were 20 years ago. Many professors who don't rush to embrace the latest woke beliefs feel pressured to keep their mouths shut to get tenure, or ride it out till retirement. Some are afraid of their more extremist students and self-censor in classes and curb free discussions because it's just not worth the hassle any more.

3. Admin has exploded in size and influence and directly interfere with research and hiring and departmental matters. More micromanagement. And admin are fully signed up to DEI.

I don’t understand #2. Unless you are in a politics-adjacent class, what on earth are you talking about where ideology comes in. But maybe that’s my STEM degree talking.






Basically you have to support very liberal progressive ideas. That obviously doesn’t come up as much in a hard science or math class, but it does in many other subjects.


Um, no, that's really a school-by-school thing. If you want a more conservative or traditional environment, they're easily available at the student level. At the faculty level, you just have to start preparing early by applying for the right fellowships, presenting at the right conferences, and attending graduate schools that will be attractive to those kinds of institutions. No job is guaranteed ever in academia, but you can position yourself favorably, and if being surrounded by like-minded people is a priority, it's on you to select for it. Let's get back to the main topic at hand: helping OP understand how institutional morale can affect the student experience.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 22:23     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Complaints I've picked up from others:

1. Decline in student quality due to COVID but also longer term structural educational and admissions policies. Even at elite colleges, more kids are turning up without basic learning skills and knowledge that was once taken for granted.

2. Colleges are far more ideological places than they were 20 years ago. Many professors who don't rush to embrace the latest woke beliefs feel pressured to keep their mouths shut to get tenure, or ride it out till retirement. Some are afraid of their more extremist students and self-censor in classes and curb free discussions because it's just not worth the hassle any more.

3. Admin has exploded in size and influence and directly interfere with research and hiring and departmental matters. More micromanagement. And admin are fully signed up to DEI.

I don’t understand #2. Unless you are in a politics-adjacent class, what on earth are you talking about where ideology comes in. But maybe that’s my STEM degree talking.






Basically you have to support very liberal progressive ideas. That obviously doesn’t come up as much in a hard science or math class, but it does in many other subjects.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 21:58     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:Complaints I've picked up from others:

1. Decline in student quality due to COVID but also longer term structural educational and admissions policies. Even at elite colleges, more kids are turning up without basic learning skills and knowledge that was once taken for granted.

2. Colleges are far more ideological places than they were 20 years ago. Many professors who don't rush to embrace the latest woke beliefs feel pressured to keep their mouths shut to get tenure, or ride it out till retirement. Some are afraid of their more extremist students and self-censor in classes and curb free discussions because it's just not worth the hassle any more.

3. Admin has exploded in size and influence and directly interfere with research and hiring and departmental matters. More micromanagement. And admin are fully signed up to DEI.

I don’t understand #2. Unless you are in a politics-adjacent class, what on earth are you talking about where ideology comes in. But maybe that’s my STEM degree talking.




Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 21:29     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
The profs I know with tenure and tenure track jobs at the top local R1s (Georgetown and Maryland) are doing well. I think there is a big divide with other situations, especially adjuncts, and schools or particular departments struggling more with finances.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 21:21     Subject: Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:all the extra money is going towards making the facilities fancier to attract more students I guess. I would rather have my tuition money go towards professors and research funds than fancy cafeteria


The more research-heavy a university is, the less it cares about teaching. Especially teaching undergrads, who do nothing but get in the way. Grad students can be valuable labor, especially given that a prof can simply tell them to teach themselves something. Even brilliant undergrads rarely have sufficient background knowledge to do that.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 20:49     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
I am a professor and am leaving my university at the end of this semester. Student performance and preparedness have gone way down and their anxiety has spiked. I’ve decided I can have a more widespread and positive impact by giving talks to groups of HS and college students to teach them the skills and competencies they need for academic and professional success in college. You would be amazed at the basic skills that college students today are missing — time management, how to study, etc. I’ll miss my students but love being able to reach students outside my university and am looking forward to being able to continue this work full-time.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 20:42     Subject: Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:It really depends.


I hate to say this but the quality of students I teach has gone way downhill and each year the number of students I have who do not seem cut out for college increases, which feels icky and is challenging in a way that is not fun or motivating


I am an adjunct at a noncompetitive university and I have seen the same thing over the past few years. The quality of students has declined, especially since the pandemic. Many of the students in my gen ed class cannot read or write at anywhere near the level they should be able to in college. I agree, it feels icky and sad. I suspect many of them end up leaving the school with nothing to show for it but debt.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 18:51     Subject: Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:Two issues I have noticed. At my daughter's SLAC, there are a huge number of Profs taking sabbatical next year - with lots of young inexperienced Profs coming in, we hope, if they can be found. Profs didn't take sabbaticals over COVID (where could they go), so the rate is going up. Not great for students. For those of you who think, adjuncts are the answer, know that adjuncts get paid about 3000 a semester - with no benefits, at least at DC colleges (I am one), so as you look ahead at where your DC goes, maybe ask how many Profs are up for sabbatical in the next few years. It impacts what classes are offered, and when, who their advisors might be, etc.


Those visiting profs at SLACs can be great--they are usually fresh out of their PhDs and have done lots of teaching fellowships in their PhD program. Their standards are often really high and they are energetic. I wouldn't discount them. When I went to a SLAC, I really appreciated those visiting professors. When I graduated my PhD I was one--and I really threw myself into my job then. Visiting professors are far more embedded in the school than adjuncts. They will have no trouble finding people--there are always recent PhD grads looking for those positions. It's a much better career move than being an adjunct.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 18:44     Subject: Professor Morale?
Two issues I have noticed. At my daughter's SLAC, there are a huge number of Profs taking sabbatical next year - with lots of young inexperienced Profs coming in, we hope, if they can be found. Profs didn't take sabbaticals over COVID (where could they go), so the rate is going up. Not great for students. For those of you who think, adjuncts are the answer, know that adjuncts get paid about 3000 a semester - with no benefits, at least at DC colleges (I am one), so as you look ahead at where your DC goes, maybe ask how many Profs are up for sabbatical in the next few years. It impacts what classes are offered, and when, who their advisors might be, etc.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 17:48     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:Me when I hear that professors are stressed out and have low morale:



What do you do for a living?
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 17:47     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:Profs in many academic areas are living the life! Pre-tenure is pressure packed but you have academic freedom, schedule flexibility, and summers that are focused on research (hopefully with a little relaxation).
Depending on your area, there are opportunities to consult or speak for a fee too.


In 2019, just 10.5 percent of faculty positions in the U.S. were tenure-track and 26.5 percent were tenured, according to the AAUP.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 17:39     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Profs in many academic areas are living the life! Pre-tenure is pressure packed but you have academic freedom, schedule flexibility, and summers that are focused on research (hopefully with a little relaxation).
Depending on your area, there are opportunities to consult or speak for a fee too.


I'm a tenured professor, doing what I decided I wanted to do when I was a teenager. I still think it's the best job in the world, but I have to admit that right now many of us are very, very stressed and tired. The real challenges come from the constantly shifting responsibility sets and the total lack of boundaries. Even though we definitely do have schedule flexibility in terms of where and when we work, the quantity of things that need attention means that like some other professions we work evenings, weekends, early mornings, breaks, and, as PP correctly notes, summers, always trying to fit the non-salaried activity ( = research, for those of us who are not in grant-funded disciplines) in around the edges of the needs of our students and of our own families. Add to that the fact that many tenured faculty now have responsibilities that would years ago have been fulfilled by professional staff colleagues, and that we are often the front line for student problems in an era when the students are genuinely in need of increased help and support, and you have an extremely diverse cycle of responsibilities that kind of never ends. The things that others have said on here about higher ed are also very true: the field itself is changing rapidly, and the problems and pressures that folks hear about in the media or from friends are real.

I don't make a 6-figure salary myself and don't stand a chance of getting near that point for many years to come. I could make a lot more money doing something else. But this is still a pretty great way to make a living, and I dedicated most of my youth to qualifying for it and earning a position (I finished my PhD after 30, as others have noted here, even though I never took time out from school - I'm in a 'slow' field). It was worth it to me.

I deal with the worst of the problems by asking myself in any difficult situation what is best for the _students_, not the faculty or the institution. After all, we are paid to be there. The students, on the other hand, want us to help them build a future, and we owe them the best we can summon even when we are exhausted.


OP here. As a parent of high school students, one a junior, I am grateful for this and all the other thoughtful responses. Your dedication to students is deeply appreciated. I share your sense that all students really need extra support now. I'm trying my best to guide my kids to college readiness as a parent, but sometimes I also feel the general sense of malaise and overwhelm that is making us all feel tired and stressed.

The application process is daunting but we earnestly are trying our best to find strong fit schools. It was so much simpler when I applied. I visited a few schools, applied to one school, was accepted ED, and loved my time there.

The business side of colleges seems to be taking a stronger role now. Intense marketing , rankings chasing/yield management, adding facilities, wellness offerings etc seem to be high institutional priorities.

Reframing my initial question: do you have suggested ways for families to get a sense of effective leadership/balancing institutional priorities well? As PP asked, how to go about identifying schools with low faculty turnover?

Also, is there a recommended way to observe student attitudes/motivation and identify high class/community engagement? Are professors open to prospective kids sitting in a class (with permission by email) for example? Thanks!




Yes--I don't have many who ask to sit in on a class, but I have always welcomed it. When I taught at a SLAC, some prospective students would do overnights and they would attend classes with their host student without prior approval and that was fine too (it was an expected part of the culture).

As for getting a feel for faculty morale, I wouldn't focus on faculty turnover. Tenure track/tenured positions are fairly rare in most fields. Faculty candidates generate large packets of information when they apply for professor positions (e.g., long cvs, sample publications, sample syllabi, teaching statements etc.) and then go through waves of interviews culminating in 2 day campus visits where they give a public lecture, teach a sample class, meet with students, admin, faculty colleagues etc. The process often starts the fall before you would start working at the new university. Faculty often have doctoral students they would need to support through their defense even after they switch colleges and research grants sometimes are hard to port. Depending on field, a lot of work has often gone into setting up a lab or program and you have to rebuild all that. So switching jobs is a very high hurdle--this is why you'll find high quality professors at universities of many different rankings: many just go to the position open when they completed their PhD and build their work there rather than try to move to a "better" school.

One place to dig into might be the faculty senate--this is the body that deliberates over issues and many publicly post minutes from that. You can get a sense of faculty issues there. I think paying attention to the number of adjuncts is also important as too many can really make the instruction diffuse. I would also look at the profiles of faculty in majors of interest on departmental websites--does it seem like the department has interesting events, are the faculty active researchers, do you see evidence of collaborations and work with students? Sometimes the websites are generic, but sometimes you can get a feel. Some websites have faculty cvs. If the faculty are generally active researchers this is a sign that they have enough resources and support to do their work--it benefits the students because research is what makes most disciplines come alive and be current.

I would say most professors I know still really are there for their students and they love their discipline/field. So even at schools where professors are frustrated by politics or administrative policies, they still make sure they are there for their students. If they don't really love to teach, they can make more money and have more institutional power by moving to admin positions (many profs do everything they can to avoid this kind of promotion) or leaving academia.
Anonymous
Post 03/30/2023 16:54     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Profs in many academic areas are living the life! Pre-tenure is pressure packed but you have academic freedom, schedule flexibility, and summers that are focused on research (hopefully with a little relaxation).
Depending on your area, there are opportunities to consult or speak for a fee too.


I'm a tenured professor, doing what I decided I wanted to do when I was a teenager. I still think it's the best job in the world, but I have to admit that right now many of us are very, very stressed and tired. The real challenges come from the constantly shifting responsibility sets and the total lack of boundaries. Even though we definitely do have schedule flexibility in terms of where and when we work, the quantity of things that need attention means that like some other professions we work evenings, weekends, early mornings, breaks, and, as PP correctly notes, summers, always trying to fit the non-salaried activity ( = research, for those of us who are not in grant-funded disciplines) in around the edges of the needs of our students and of our own families. Add to that the fact that many tenured faculty now have responsibilities that would years ago have been fulfilled by professional staff colleagues, and that we are often the front line for student problems in an era when the students are genuinely in need of increased help and support, and you have an extremely diverse cycle of responsibilities that kind of never ends. The things that others have said on here about higher ed are also very true: the field itself is changing rapidly, and the problems and pressures that folks hear about in the media or from friends are real.

I don't make a 6-figure salary myself and don't stand a chance of getting near that point for many years to come. I could make a lot more money doing something else. But this is still a pretty great way to make a living, and I dedicated most of my youth to qualifying for it and earning a position (I finished my PhD after 30, as others have noted here, even though I never took time out from school - I'm in a 'slow' field). It was worth it to me.

I deal with the worst of the problems by asking myself in any difficult situation what is best for the _students_, not the faculty or the institution. After all, we are paid to be there. The students, on the other hand, want us to help them build a future, and we owe them the best we can summon even when we are exhausted.


OP here. As a parent of high school students, one a junior, I am grateful for this and all the other thoughtful responses. Your dedication to students is deeply appreciated. I share your sense that all students really need extra support now. I'm trying my best to guide my kids to college readiness as a parent, but sometimes I also feel the general sense of malaise and overwhelm that is making us all feel tired and stressed.

The application process is daunting but we earnestly are trying our best to find strong fit schools. It was so much simpler when I applied. I visited a few schools, applied to one school, was accepted ED, and loved my time there.

The business side of colleges seems to be taking a stronger role now. Intense marketing , rankings chasing/yield management, adding facilities, wellness offerings etc seem to be high institutional priorities.

Reframing my initial question: do you have suggested ways for families to get a sense of effective leadership/balancing institutional priorities well? As PP asked, how to go about identifying schools with low faculty turnover?

Also, is there a recommended way to observe student attitudes/motivation and identify high class/community engagement? Are professors open to prospective kids sitting in a class (with permission by email) for example? Thanks!


Anonymous
Post 03/29/2023 22:57     Subject: Re:Professor Morale?
Anonymous wrote:Profs in many academic areas are living the life! Pre-tenure is pressure packed but you have academic freedom, schedule flexibility, and summers that are focused on research (hopefully with a little relaxation).
Depending on your area, there are opportunities to consult or speak for a fee too.


I'm a tenured professor, doing what I decided I wanted to do when I was a teenager. I still think it's the best job in the world, but I have to admit that right now many of us are very, very stressed and tired. The real challenges come from the constantly shifting responsibility sets and the total lack of boundaries. Even though we definitely do have schedule flexibility in terms of where and when we work, the quantity of things that need attention means that like some other professions we work evenings, weekends, early mornings, breaks, and, as PP correctly notes, summers, always trying to fit the non-salaried activity ( = research, for those of us who are not in grant-funded disciplines) in around the edges of the needs of our students and of our own families. Add to that the fact that many tenured faculty now have responsibilities that would years ago have been fulfilled by professional staff colleagues, and that we are often the front line for student problems in an era when the students are genuinely in need of increased help and support, and you have an extremely diverse cycle of responsibilities that kind of never ends. The things that others have said on here about higher ed are also very true: the field itself is changing rapidly, and the problems and pressures that folks hear about in the media or from friends are real.

I don't make a 6-figure salary myself and don't stand a chance of getting near that point for many years to come. I could make a lot more money doing something else. But this is still a pretty great way to make a living, and I dedicated most of my youth to qualifying for it and earning a position (I finished my PhD after 30, as others have noted here, even though I never took time out from school - I'm in a 'slow' field). It was worth it to me.

I deal with the worst of the problems by asking myself in any difficult situation what is best for the _students_, not the faculty or the institution. After all, we are paid to be there. The students, on the other hand, want us to help them build a future, and we owe them the best we can summon even when we are exhausted.
Anonymous
Post 03/29/2023 22:05     Subject: Professor Morale?
Professors,

Thank you all for posting. Someone mentioned that you can recognize a good institution for profs because there are rarely openings. Which colleges and universities are you thinking of? Can you name a few?

Thanks!