Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 16:19     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Anonymous wrote:As a teacher, I don’t thinks there’s anything inherently wrong with the LIM teachings. However, there has to be buy-in from both staff and students. Right now MCPS is in crisis. For most of DCUM, your children attend the better schools- the ones where most parents are able to purchase school supplies, feed your children, have housing security, etc… However, the majority of the county is not like that.

The children are coming in with no basics. They are far behind in academics (think a 4th grader who can’t do 7-6 without using her fingers or a 5th grader unable to write a basic sentence). Their behavior is also far behind. The kids think running down the hall screaming in the middle of class is normal. Fist fight on the playground are weekly. Racial slurs are constant.

What most teachers are saying, is that right now there are more important worries than this curriculum. It’s not what SEL should look like based on what we are actually seeing in class. If the curriculum covered things like zones of regulation or general study skill or school appropriate behaviors, then there would be a lot more buy-in.



As another MCPS teacher, I agree. It's really not well written for the secondary level at all, so it's really hard to get the kids to buy in as well. It's not tied to anything; for successful implementation, it would take a bit of work to implement it into the school culture. But to roll it out now? After what happened with the pandemic? Incredibly tone-deaf. We have kids who lost family members to COVID, some are taking care of their own families while going to school. Maslow before Bloom. Can't have it any other way. It's just not appropriate for the current climate and needs to be adjusted significantly at the secondary level for any type of impact. Right now it's just something to check off a list and then move on. Waste of everyone's time.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 13:49     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Anonymous wrote:My principal implemented some of the Leader in Me into our staff meetings and it fell flat. We haven't had the training yet.

My DD's principal sent out a big announce last spring talking about this new MCPS program that would be implemented in the fall - which is kind of laughable because the school never sends out regular announcements. My DD who is in 1st grade came home singing some of the videos/songs she saw (I looked them up and they are hokey but nothing harmful). This was back in Sept and it seemed to last for just a week or two. There was one lesson by the teacher that I liked - things that the kids are able to do "yet". For example, "I can't drive a car.....yet". It doesn't seem like anything else has been done after that including videos.


I think implementation and support continue to be a terrible problem with US education. For instance, as I agree with the PP that the lesson on mindset was/is great for students and something that should be continually reiterated throughout the year for kids in K-5 both to build confidence and a preserve lance mindset. But that’s not what I see happening. It just is rolled out at the beginning of the year but not continually reinforced and built upon each year.

For example another PP mentioned study skills, but the first three habits are key to good study skills.
Habit 1 - Be Proactive.
Habit 2 - Begin With the End in Mind.
Habit 3 - Put First Things First.

Habits 4&5 are key to relationships and correcting kids who obviously need help relating to others and reflecting on their own attitudes
Habit 4 - Think Win-Win.
Habit 5 - Seek First to Understand, Then to be Understoond.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 13:27     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The person who claims to love it is obviously a troll, so don’t bother asking what aspects of the program they love. They have never participated in LIM. MCPS will toss the program after cohorts 3 and 4 have implemented (they ended up creating another cohort recently). They are using the next two years to tweak and modify based on initial flaws, but it’s obvious that the program will not make the impact they had initially hoped. My principal doesn’t give af about it and we just do the bare minimum- no one cares because we all know it’s just checking another box and the latest Ed fad. Just another example of wasted dollars in a bloated and poorly managed system. Not shocking in the least bit.


The people who seem to hate it are the trolls who against public schools indefinitely against spending tax dollars on social emotional learning.


Some of these trolls are irrationally angry and I fear spend time with kid’s unsupervised

Then I hope you are homeschooling your kids. Actually, with the way you write, that would be a travesty.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 13:23     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Anonymous wrote:NP. How does the Leader in Me differ from the 7 Habits? I studied the 7 Habits when the book first came out, and found the concepts extremely useful in my college and grad school years.


I think it is the kids’ version of that.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 09:08     Subject: Leader In Me training?
My principal implemented some of the Leader in Me into our staff meetings and it fell flat. We haven't had the training yet.

My DD's principal sent out a big announce last spring talking about this new MCPS program that would be implemented in the fall - which is kind of laughable because the school never sends out regular announcements. My DD who is in 1st grade came home singing some of the videos/songs she saw (I looked them up and they are hokey but nothing harmful). This was back in Sept and it seemed to last for just a week or two. There was one lesson by the teacher that I liked - things that the kids are able to do "yet". For example, "I can't drive a car.....yet". It doesn't seem like anything else has been done after that including videos.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 08:44     Subject: Leader In Me training?
As a teacher, I don’t thinks there’s anything inherently wrong with the LIM teachings. However, there has to be buy-in from both staff and students. Right now MCPS is in crisis. For most of DCUM, your children attend the better schools- the ones where most parents are able to purchase school supplies, feed your children, have housing security, etc… However, the majority of the county is not like that.

The children are coming in with no basics. They are far behind in academics (think a 4th grader who can’t do 7-6 without using her fingers or a 5th grader unable to write a basic sentence). Their behavior is also far behind. The kids think running down the hall screaming in the middle of class is normal. Fist fight on the playground are weekly. Racial slurs are constant.

What most teachers are saying, is that right now there are more important worries than this curriculum. It’s not what SEL should look like based on what we are actually seeing in class. If the curriculum covered things like zones of regulation or general study skill or school appropriate behaviors, then there would be a lot more buy-in.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 08:38     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Seems like a great program, but some posters (paid astroturfers) resent public schools and spending on anything like SEL programs. The only good use of tax dollars to them is to make public schools into prisons.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 08:21     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Anonymous wrote:Lol you’re scared of teachers being with kids? Hate to break it to you, but there’s nothing you can do about it so good luck with those feelings. Pull your kids from school if that’s how you feel. You should fear mass shootings, short tempered children, and parents who don’t hold their children accountable. Not teachers who have opinions that care about SEL and have been in the business for over a decade but know exactly why this new curriculum won’t make an impact. But I’m sure you’ve never logged into the system, seen the curriculum, or spent a second understanding the history behind Franklin Covey, and you’re definitely no expert in child development. Then again, ignorance breeds fear, so go ahead and be scared of your kids teachers. I am sure your children will grow up to be totally normal.


I’m not afraid of teacher I’m afraid of you.

Your irrationally angry and need serious therapy .
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 08:20     Subject: Leader In Me training?
NP. How does the Leader in Me differ from the 7 Habits? I studied the 7 Habits when the book first came out, and found the concepts extremely useful in my college and grad school years.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 08:02     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Lol you’re scared of teachers being with kids? Hate to break it to you, but there’s nothing you can do about it so good luck with those feelings. Pull your kids from school if that’s how you feel. You should fear mass shootings, short tempered children, and parents who don’t hold their children accountable. Not teachers who have opinions that care about SEL and have been in the business for over a decade but know exactly why this new curriculum won’t make an impact. But I’m sure you’ve never logged into the system, seen the curriculum, or spent a second understanding the history behind Franklin Covey, and you’re definitely no expert in child development. Then again, ignorance breeds fear, so go ahead and be scared of your kids teachers. I am sure your children will grow up to be totally normal.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 07:32     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The person who claims to love it is obviously a troll, so don’t bother asking what aspects of the program they love. They have never participated in LIM. MCPS will toss the program after cohorts 3 and 4 have implemented (they ended up creating another cohort recently). They are using the next two years to tweak and modify based on initial flaws, but it’s obvious that the program will not make the impact they had initially hoped. My principal doesn’t give af about it and we just do the bare minimum- no one cares because we all know it’s just checking another box and the latest Ed fad. Just another example of wasted dollars in a bloated and poorly managed system. Not shocking in the least bit.


The people who seem to hate it are the trolls who against public schools indefinitely against spending tax dollars on social emotional learning.


Some of these trolls are irrationally angry and I fear spend time with kid’s unsupervised
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 07:31     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:This week, all MCPS teaching staff are required to sign up for a two day summer training for Leader in Me. What is this training and how much is it costing the county? Class sizes are unmanageable, yet we have the resources to pay for all staff to attend this mandatory training??? Why not use these resources for more teachers?


So lucky! I did that last year. It was amazing.


How did you find it helpful to your MS students? Did you change what you were doing as a teacher, as a result of the training?


Well, I felt it was a transformative experience for the students who went into it with an open mind and me. Unfortunately, many feel changes to their daily routine (training) are an imposition and are resentful.


Transformative? Leader in Me?! lol you really drank the kool-aid or you’re a covey shill, stalking these boards. You don’t have to have an open mind to know this program isn’t going to be a transformative experience for anyone who possesses critical thinking skills. It’s not terrible, but it’s definitely nothing special. The kids hate it and it has nothing to do with the teachers teaching it and everything to do with the content.


Wow ! You teach children. Sad!
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 02:04     Subject: Leader In Me training?
Anonymous wrote:The person who claims to love it is obviously a troll, so don’t bother asking what aspects of the program they love. They have never participated in LIM. MCPS will toss the program after cohorts 3 and 4 have implemented (they ended up creating another cohort recently). They are using the next two years to tweak and modify based on initial flaws, but it’s obvious that the program will not make the impact they had initially hoped. My principal doesn’t give af about it and we just do the bare minimum- no one cares because we all know it’s just checking another box and the latest Ed fad. Just another example of wasted dollars in a bloated and poorly managed system. Not shocking in the least bit.


The people who seem to hate it are the trolls who against public schools indefinitely against spending tax dollars on social emotional learning.
Anonymous
Post 03/19/2023 00:21     Subject: Leader In Me training?
The person who claims to love it is obviously a troll, so don’t bother asking what aspects of the program they love. They have never participated in LIM. MCPS will toss the program after cohorts 3 and 4 have implemented (they ended up creating another cohort recently). They are using the next two years to tweak and modify based on initial flaws, but it’s obvious that the program will not make the impact they had initially hoped. My principal doesn’t give af about it and we just do the bare minimum- no one cares because we all know it’s just checking another box and the latest Ed fad. Just another example of wasted dollars in a bloated and poorly managed system. Not shocking in the least bit.
Anonymous
Post 03/18/2023 19:21     Subject: Re:Leader In Me training?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I've done some online research, and wow, teachers, admins, and students all seem to find this program useless. It relies on corporate-think and buzzwords, and the buy-in seems pretty low. Also, there seems to be some cultish connection to the Mormon church...Why are staff required to attend this two-day summer training that could be better used to teach classroom management, content-specific training, fight de-escalation training, etc? Or, maybe teachers can simply have a break from a very difficult year and use their summer as they see fit? How much does this cost again?


That's really odd everyone at our school from students to teachers loves it.


Can you provide an example what a student specifically loved about it? How did it positively impact the student?