Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Exactly. Unless they reviewed entire applications, cover to cover, there is no basis for this "yield protection" theory.

What about the econometric modeling algorithms?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Exactly. Unless they reviewed entire applications, cover to cover, there is no basis for this "yield protection" theory.

What about the econometric modeling algorithms?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Would imagine this might work at Michigan or Wisconsin or similar?

Honestly I think people should stop talking about “stats” and look at the full application. My Asian DD was admitted to Michigan with a 1570 and a rigorous course load with all A’s. Also to other great publics. Her essays and application package was really good, I thought. She had a compelling narrative which is what I think is needed.

Anonymous wrote:Would imagine this might work at Michigan or Wisconsin or similar?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Exactly. Unless they reviewed entire applications, cover to cover, there is no basis for this "yield protection" theory.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Good heavens you need to read more. Google yield protect and the schools you are interested in. Start reading books on college admissions. Go read on same on College Confidential and Reddit and other sources.

What books and peer-reviewed articles is this mentioned in?

Selingo book discusses LTE. Likelihood to Enroll that colleges factor in in determining whether to admit an applicant. He discusses the importance of yields to colleges at length.

Here’s a quote:

“ In a tsunami of applicants who are qualified on the surface, what matters at this point are the elements that differentiate students, or if they are particularly good overall, the chances they will ultimately choose Davidson—what admissions officers call LTE (likelihood to enroll). It’s an acronym used frequently in discussions during regular decision. The more admissions officers dissect an applicant’s intentions now, the better they’ll fare in April when multiple schools are competing for the attention of the students they accepted. It’s another way a college’s agenda—in this case keeping its yield rate up—shapes admissions decisions.”

This quote is about marginal students getting a nudge into the admit pile if they demonstrate interest, not denying top students because they might not enroll.

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Good heavens you need to read more. Google yield protect and the schools you are interested in. Start reading books on college admissions. Go read on same on College Confidential and Reddit and other sources.

What books and peer-reviewed articles is this mentioned in?

Selingo book discusses LTE. Likelihood to Enroll that colleges factor in in determining whether to admit an applicant. He discusses the importance of yields to colleges at length.

Here’s a quote:

“ In a tsunami of applicants who are qualified on the surface, what matters at this point are the elements that differentiate students, or if they are particularly good overall, the chances they will ultimately choose Davidson—what admissions officers call LTE (likelihood to enroll). It’s an acronym used frequently in discussions during regular decision. The more admissions officers dissect an applicant’s intentions now, the better they’ll fare in April when multiple schools are competing for the attention of the students they accepted. It’s another way a college’s agenda—in this case keeping its yield rate up—shapes admissions decisions.”

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Good heavens you need to read more. Google yield protect and the schools you are interested in. Start reading books on college admissions. Go read on same on College Confidential and Reddit and other sources.

What books and peer-reviewed articles is this mentioned in?

Selingo book discusses LTE. Likelihood to Enroll that colleges factor in in determining whether to admit an applicant. He discusses the importance of yields to colleges at length.

Here’s a quote:

“ In a tsunami of applicants who are qualified on the surface, what matters at this point are the elements that differentiate students, or if they are particularly good overall, the chances they will ultimately choose Davidson—what admissions officers call LTE (likelihood to enroll). It’s an acronym used frequently in discussions during regular decision. The more admissions officers dissect an applicant’s intentions now, the better they’ll fare in April when multiple schools are competing for the attention of the students they accepted. It’s another way a college’s agenda—in this case keeping its yield rate up—shapes admissions decisions.”

Anonymous wrote:I wished my son had tried TO at Case Western.

And no, I don't think my kid is special, but when you see kids with way lower grades, less course rigor, and way way lower scores getting in you have to wonder what's going on.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be dense but is there as efficient way to find out which schools yield protect? I understand the concept but not how to find out which schools actually do it.

I look at Scattergrams and for some schools, the very top applicants are waitlisted and the acceptances start lower down. My kid is at a large public so there’s ample data. You can often see where that college’s sweet spot is - like they think they can get the 1450/4.6 kids but not the 1570/4.8 ones. I also check the CDS to see whether they consider demonstrated interest so that if they do, my kid will know to show the love.

The bolded students would absolutely be admitted if they applied ED.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Good heavens you need to read more. Google yield protect and the schools you are interested in. Start reading books on college admissions. Go read on same on College Confidential and Reddit and other sources.

Anonymous wrote:OP you are overthinking this. I also think “yield protection” is largely a DCUM thing. Posters here can’t fathom the idea that their kids aren’t good enough, so they blame rejections and waitlists on yield protection.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Sorry to be dense but is there as efficient way to find out which schools yield protect? I understand the concept but not how to find out which schools actually do it.

I look at Scattergrams and for some schools, the very top applicants are waitlisted and the acceptances start lower down. My kid is at a large public so there’s ample data. You can often see where that college’s sweet spot is - like they think they can get the 1450/4.6 kids but not the 1570/4.8 ones. I also check the CDS to see whether they consider demonstrated interest so that if they do, my kid will know to show the love.