Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.
The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.
However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.
I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.
I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.
If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems
Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.
The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.
So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.
The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.
However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.
I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.
I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.
If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems
Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.
The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.
So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.
Actually you are the ignorant one. You have no idea what training I have done or what I know. This neighbor's dog is NOT a police dog and you are very wrong about prong collars and e-collars. Many organizations have come out against them. Maybe you will take their opinion seriously: Or you going to accuse them of not knowing anything?
https://www.bsava.com/position-statement/aversive-training-methods/
Here is an article that explains why in simple terms for you to understand. If you are bold enough to read it. https://smartdoguniversity.com/a-surprising-look-at-balanced-training/
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.
The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.
However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.
I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.
I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.
If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems
Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.
The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.
So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.
Actually you are the ignorant one. You have no idea what training I have done or what I know. This neighbor's dog is NOT a police dog and you are very wrong about prong collars and e-collars. Many organizations have come out against them. Maybe you will take their opinion seriously: Or you going to accuse them of not knowing anything?
https://www.bsava.com/position-statement/aversive-training-methods/
Here is an article that explains why in simple terms for you to understand. If you are bold enough to read it. https://smartdoguniversity.com/a-surprising-look-at-balanced-training/
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.
The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.
However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.
I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.
I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.
If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems
Dogs trained for the police/military wear those collars. They are not inhumane at all, since they're not designed to hurt. The setting has to be calibrated to the individual dog and is set to the lowest possible level. Malinois and short-haired GDS dogs are preferred army and police breeds and are temperamentally and physically suited to wear them.
The myth that prong and e-collars are inhumane and should never be used has caused many reactive dogs with a potential for re-training and rehab to be euthanized, since positive-only training does not work on them.
So please don't pretend to know when you so clearly do not - your ignorance and the spread of such disinformation costs lives.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.
The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.
However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.
I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.
I was with you until you suggested inhumane treatments like prong ,e-collar etc. They are cruel and should never be used. You are most likely causing greater harm but you don't care because results is all you are after.
If you beat a child you will have a well behaved child but with lots of psychological problems
Anonymous wrote:I would contact the local police department and ask them to talk to the owners. I would ask for a record of our conversation and tell them why - because I fully expect there to be dog attack in the near future and I want everyone to suffer higher penalties than they otherwise would since I’ve given them notice and they didn’t do enough to prevent it.[/quote
The police will laugh at you. They barely can handle crime and mental illness. You think they have time to talk to dog owners whose dog has never bitten anyone?
Do you know how expensive animal behaviorist cost? It can be $400 or more for one hour!
Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.
The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.
However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.
I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.
Anonymous wrote:I would contact the local police department and ask them to talk to the owners. I would ask for a record of our conversation and tell them why - because I fully expect there to be dog attack in the near future and I want everyone to suffer higher penalties than they otherwise would since I’ve given them notice and they didn’t do enough to prevent it.
Anonymous wrote:OP, I have fostered dogs for years. The behavior you describe is called fear reactivity. I don't think you're in any danger, but I understand why you find the behavior so disconcerting. I have small dogs that will lunge and bark in a similar manner, but they are 10 pounds and under so they just look silly, whereas a much larger dog with a high prey drive and a powerful jaw will seem menacing--and has the potential to do more harm. The neighbors should consult an animal behaviorist/trainer and work on changing the behavior but it can take months of training to address the behavior and frankly most people just won't put in the time or effort. Since no-one can compel your neighbor to do anything about the situation, I don't think it's unreasonable that you feel like moving.
Anonymous wrote:I've actually moved for less, when we had a neighboring pit bull that was terrifying for a number of reasons, and we had small kids who loved to play in the yard (neighbor didn't keep the dog contained so it came over to our yard all the time, despite our attempts to dissuade it and ask owners to contain it). We were absolutely not interested in waiting around to see if this dog escalated with us or worse, our kids, and we sold our house and moved. I realize it could sound like an overreaction to some people, but I really dont want my kids to be the next tragic news story and this dog was dangerous.
Anonymous wrote:Nothing you describe shows that this is a dog that will attack you, OP. I work with dogs.
The dangerous ones are usually the ones who SNARL, with lips curled back, showing teeth. That's an immediate danger sign. And then the truly lethal ones who attack silently without warning and go for the kill. Barking and lunging outside means this dog is poorly socialized, training has been non-existent or has not worked. The couple this dog belongs to seems to keep it leashed, which is a good sign. Barking and pressing on the window is nothing - a lot of perfectly safe dogs with a full view outside do this because they're bored, want to engage, but are frustrated by being cooped up.
However, this being a Malinois or GDS, who can literally rip your throat out, better safe than sorry, you can always carry mace or a stick. Practice in the mirror drawing it out and pretending to use it, because a loose dog is faster than you ever imagine possible. Don't get too close, or you won't have time to draw. I doubt you'll ever need it, however.
I would talk to these neighbors and officially relay your concerns, before contacting whichever authorities in your locale. There are prong collars, e-collars and special "military" trainings they can explore. The collars are especially effective for petite persons walking out of control dogs. I've used them myself to great effect.
Anonymous wrote:I've actually moved for less, when we had a neighboring pit bull that was terrifying for a number of reasons, and we had small kids who loved to play in the yard (neighbor didn't keep the dog contained so it came over to our yard all the time, despite our attempts to dissuade it and ask owners to contain it). We were absolutely not interested in waiting around to see if this dog escalated with us or worse, our kids, and we sold our house and moved. I realize it could sound like an overreaction to some people, but I really dont want my kids to be the next tragic news story and this dog was dangerous.