Anonymous wrote:May is pretty far away. Why can't you manage the work of two people off at once? I just really don't see this as a big deal. Does everyone have to work Christmas eve too? Does only one get it off?

Agreed. Unless you’re like, firing missiles in Ukraine, there’s no reason you can’t plan over 3 months for two people to be gone for 5 days.

May is pretty far away. Why can't you manage the work of two people off at once? I just really don't see this as a big deal. Does everyone have to work Christmas eve too? Does only one get it off?

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Anonymous wrote:Op you suck.

It’s not ‘asking’ to take time off, they’re not your slaves. They are telling you they will be gone. Stop being a jerk.

NP. That’s not accurate. Vacation requests need to be approved. You don’t “tell” anyone you’ll be gone…despite how much you wish you could. When you are a partner, principal or owner, you can “tell.” Until then you ask, like everyone else.

+1. Some of you clearly don’t work in the private sector. I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to seek manager’s approval to take time off.

I work in the private sector and don’t need to get permission to take my PTO.

I dunno what to tell ya op. People like attending major life milestones of their loved ones. If you cannot figure out how to accommodate everyone here then you’re just being inflexible out of principle. When you dig in you just back employees into a corner and force them to call your bluff.

I had my first at 25, in grad school.

Anyway.

It sounds like these employees need to be reminded of the rules, OP. And that the rules perhaps need clarification and distribution...

Anonymous wrote:OP, let me ask you this, how in the world would you manage if both these employees got hit by a bus on the way to work and couldn't come in? Would your business grind to a halt?


If your business is so short staffed that you are one deep in every position and taking leave is such an issue, you need to look at how you are running the business.

Because what's next? Oh sorry Sally, I realize your mom died, but Jenny already had off this week. You have to come in?

Seriously, if you are running so lean that 2 employees grinds business to a halt, you are staffed wrong.

I mean cold season, I think 4 people in my office were sick at once. Is May especially busy for some reason? What business are you in? Wedding planning?

As for the week off for the graduation, I'm sure there is family in town and she is entertaining/visiting. Same with a distant wedding, there are other people to see and might as well make use of an expensive plane ticket (because they are all expensive now). Do you pay big money, where plane tickets are trivial costs (I'm guessing no), so time and cost are equally valuable.

As far as replacing these employees because of their 'entitled millenialism' -- good Fing luck.

I remember once having to coordinate leave with a colleague. We both compromised on less than ideal dates. Before vacation the other colleague quit. My boss still had both of us out at the same time. (I picked up all of my colleague's work when they left). The sun still came up the next day. It was a memorable and sucky experience. I now think there can be more flexibility around when employees want to use their vacation time.

Anonymous wrote:OP I hope both of them quit and you’re stuck scrambling. They don’t deserve your garbage leadership.

And I hope OP fires them both and your boss (if you are even employed) fires you.

Different organizations work differently. Ours, unfortunately, does t allow you just to decide to take a week off and just announce it to your boss and expecting they’ll just grant it.

We have a leave planning calendar for the purpose of coordinating coverage, but until you have an approved leave slip you should not be booking tickets.

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Anonymous wrote:Op you suck.

It’s not ‘asking’ to take time off, they’re not your slaves. They are telling you they will be gone. Stop being a jerk.

NP. That’s not accurate. Vacation requests need to be approved. You don’t “tell” anyone you’ll be gone…despite how much you wish you could. When you are a partner, principal or owner, you can “tell.” Until then you ask, like everyone else.

+1. Some of you clearly don’t work in the private sector. I’ve never had a job where I didn’t have to seek manager’s approval to take time off.

I work in the private sector at a director level. I tell my leadership when I will be out, and my team tells me when they will be out. If multiple people are out at the same time, we work together to coordinate coverage / work ahead / adjust accordingly. People have earned their PTO and they should be able to use it for the things that are important to them.

Same. I don't "ask" for time off. I inform my boss and figure out how to cover my stuff. Sometimes that means I need to take calls or log in when I'm OOO, but that comes with the territory.

Anonymous wrote:A millennial has a son in high school?

The oldest millennials are around 42 years old. Of course, they could have a kid in high school. I am GenX. I was done with COLLEGE when my mom was 42.

Anonymous wrote:Oh dear god, OP. You'll manage for one whole week without two people. Can you imagine your boss telling you that you can't go to your kid's graduation? That's pretty heartless.

Signed, Gen X who's sick of everyone's sh*t

+1, also GenX

I let two people out the same week if they have a good reason. I can manage. Grow up, OP>

Anonymous wrote:The mom with hs graduation has likely known that date since September. She should have put in her request and gotten approval months ago. The employee who just found out about a wedding and booked the trip is kinda screwed. I wonder how long they have worked there and how the time off policy has been communicated and previously administered. Everyone should know how it works. Sounds like the employee attending the wedding just doesn’t give a f#*k. Let her take the time and replace her asap.

Nobody is screwed, they’re entitled to taking their vacation you clown. The workload is the managers to manage, not an IC.

It's so annoying when people have personal lives.

The mom with hs graduation has likely known that date since September. She should have put in her request and gotten approval months ago. The employee who just found out about a wedding and booked the trip is kinda screwed. I wonder how long they have worked there and how the time off policy has been communicated and previously administered. Everyone should know how it works. Sounds like the employee attending the wedding just doesn’t give a f#*k. Let her take the time and replace her asap.