Anonymous
02/28/2023 00:58
Subject: What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?
Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.
It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.
That’s terrible and a huge concern for many. Not just moving out of a walkable neighborhood school, but losing a huge amount of equity on a house. That is a lot of money!
Who can forget the Rezoning Of Horizon Hill in 1987? It's right up there with Bloody Sunday on the Edmund Pettus Bridge, Bleeding Kansas, the Stamp Act...
I think anyone here would be upset if the equity in their home dropped $150K.
Anonymous
02/28/2023 00:31
Subject: Re:What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't believe anything is "safe" at this point. My kid rides a bus to a middle school where there is not a single walker. All the kids in the same neighborhood, even those across the street or on the same block as the middle school take a bus to another middle school that is 10 minutes away.
That's a school without a walk zone. But if your school has a walk zone (which almost all of them do), and you live within that walk zone, then you will be "safe" to remain a walker.
When there are houses that are literally a short walking distance of the school, yes, there is a walk zone. MCPS just chooses not to have it to justify its decisions. At the upcounty boundary study, they had an opportunity to revise the boundaries for Neelsville Middle School so that kids within walking distance to that school can attend and walk to that school instead of continuing to take the bus to MLK MS. They didn't do that. Demographics is their primary priority; the other factors are secondary. Full stop.
It may be what you consider to be walkable, but it is not a "walk zone," which is an MCPS DOT-defined area.
From the boundary analysis report:
"Due to factors such as traffic hazards and roadway conditions around
schools, not all schools have walk zones. Twelve of 135 elementary schools,
two of 40 middle schools and two of 25 high schools do not have walk
zones."
Anonymous
02/27/2023 19:50
Subject: Re:What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't believe anything is "safe" at this point. My kid rides a bus to a middle school where there is not a single walker. All the kids in the same neighborhood, even those across the street or on the same block as the middle school take a bus to another middle school that is 10 minutes away.
That's a school without a walk zone. But if your school has a walk zone (which almost all of them do), and you live within that walk zone, then you will be "safe" to remain a walker.
When there are houses that are literally a short walking distance of the school, yes, there is a walk zone. MCPS just chooses not to have it to justify its decisions. At the upcounty boundary study, they had an opportunity to revise the boundaries for Neelsville Middle School so that kids within walking distance to that school can attend and walk to that school instead of continuing to take the bus to MLK MS. They didn't do that. Demographics is their primary priority; the other factors are secondary. Full stop.
Nope. If there is no safe walking route, then it is not a walk zone, even if it's literally across the street (355 and Germantown Road, in the case of Neelsville Middle School). You want more kids to walk? Then you should push the county and the state for safe routes to school.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 19:42
Subject: Re:What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I don't believe anything is "safe" at this point. My kid rides a bus to a middle school where there is not a single walker. All the kids in the same neighborhood, even those across the street or on the same block as the middle school take a bus to another middle school that is 10 minutes away.
That's a school without a walk zone. But if your school has a walk zone (which almost all of them do), and you live within that walk zone, then you will be "safe" to remain a walker.
When there are houses that are literally a short walking distance of the school, yes, there is a walk zone. MCPS just chooses not to have it to justify its decisions. At the upcounty boundary study, they had an opportunity to revise the boundaries for Neelsville Middle School so that kids within walking distance to that school can attend and walk to that school instead of continuing to take the bus to MLK MS. They didn't do that. Demographics is their primary priority; the other factors are secondary. Full stop.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 18:22
Subject: What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?
Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.
It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.
This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.
DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.
If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.
Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.
PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.
????????????????
The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.
That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.
HH has houses that have sold around the $1M mark recently. I know this is poor for DCUM but saying it’s bringing SES diversity to RM is absurd.
To be fair, they didn't say what kind of diversity. In a high-poverty school (which RM isn't), students from affluent households add diversity.
exactly, that was the point. The FARMs rate at RM was much higher prior to the rezoning back in the 80s. HH brought the UMC diversity to RM.
I know things are different now, but with Crown HS being built, and taking Fallsgrove will take a good chunk of umc neighborhoods out of RM. Obviously, no one knows what the boundary will look like when all is said and done, but my point was that if they are serious about walk zones, then HH would need to go back to Wootton.
To a PP's point, my understanding is that RP went to JWMS, but then to Wootton HS, so yes, there could be some split articulation after MS, but that is not unusual here.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:15
Subject: What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?
Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.
It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.
This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.
don't count others' money.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:12
Subject: What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?
Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.
It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.
This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.
DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.
If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.
Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.
PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.
????????????????
The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.
That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.
HH has houses that have sold around the $1M mark recently. I know this is poor for DCUM but saying it’s bringing SES diversity to RM is absurd.
To be fair, they didn't say what kind of diversity. In a high-poverty school (which RM isn't), students from affluent households add diversity.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 16:08
Subject: What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?
Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.
It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.
This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.
DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.
If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.
Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.
PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.
????????????????
The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.
That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.
HH has houses that have sold around the $1M mark recently. I know this is poor for DCUM but saying it’s bringing SES diversity to RM is absurd.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 15:36
Subject: Re:What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:I don't believe anything is "safe" at this point. My kid rides a bus to a middle school where there is not a single walker. All the kids in the same neighborhood, even those across the street or on the same block as the middle school take a bus to another middle school that is 10 minutes away.
That's a school without a walk zone. But if your school has a walk zone (which almost all of them do), and you live within that walk zone, then you will be "safe" to remain a walker.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 15:27
Subject: Re:What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
I don't believe anything is "safe" at this point. My kid rides a bus to a middle school where there is not a single walker. All the kids in the same neighborhood, even those across the street or on the same block as the middle school take a bus to another middle school that is 10 minutes away.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 13:20
Subject: What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
No distance. School zones do not radiate concentrically from the school. Boundaries are drawn and redrawn all the time based on lots of different factors
Anonymous
02/27/2023 11:12
Subject: Re:What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Not in MCPS, but I live one block from the elementary school, 2-3 from middle and high. I'm in the zone. The next block past mine is not, and requires a bus to the middle and HS, even though they are less than a 10 minute walk. I'm definitely worried about redistricting.
+1 I think if you are close enough that MCPS doesn't have to provide a bus, they won't want to redistrict you so you have to use a bus.
Anonymous
02/27/2023 10:33
Subject: What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?
Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.
It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.
This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.
DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.
If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.
Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.
PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.
????????????????
The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.
That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.
Yes, including the fact that Crown HS will be built and some UMC from RM cluster will be zoned to Crown. More than likely, HH will not go to Crown, but it could be rezoned to Wootton if they are serious about the walk factor.
So, a split articulation for Ritchie Park ES? Or should middle-school and high-school students cross Falls Road as walkers?
So Fallsgrove part goes to crown?
Anonymous
02/27/2023 09:59
Subject: What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?
Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.
It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.
This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.
DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.
If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.
Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.
PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.
????????????????
The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.
That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.
Yes, including the fact that Crown HS will be built and some UMC from RM cluster will be zoned to Crown. More than likely, HH will not go to Crown, but it could be rezoned to Wootton if they are serious about the walk factor.
So, a split articulation for Ritchie Park ES? Or should middle-school and high-school students cross Falls Road as walkers?
Anonymous
02/27/2023 09:42
Subject: What’s the distance from a school where they will not rezone you?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:With all this redrawing the boundaries talk, is there a distance you live from a school where they will not be allowed to change your designated school? Like if you live on the same block as a school? If you’re considered a walker and don’t have an assigned bus? If you live within a half mile? Or is no one safe?
Ask Horizon Hill neighborhood - who literally back up to Frost MS and Wootton HS and were re-zoned and bused to JW and RM 2-3 miles away.
It also lowered their home values by $50K at the time and about $100-$130K now.
This happened in 1987. Y'all need to get over it.
DP.. It's not a question of "getting over it". It's a direct response to OP's question - that this kind of thing has happened before, and could potentially happen again for diversity.
If MCPS is serious about "walk zones", then during the Crown HS boundary analysis, they should look at making that zone back to a walk zone. They are within a walking distance to Wootton/Frost but currently have to take a bus ride to RM/JW. If MCPS does this, then we know that they are serious about "walk zones". If they don't, then we know that, indeed, "diversity" trumps everything.
Looking at things that have been decided less than 35 years ago is more telling. The last time they did a HS boundary study, in 2019, there were changes made such that areas of the Northwest cluster which had been very walkable to Seneca Valley were rightly rezoned to Seneca Valley. There was also a part of the Clarksburg cluster which was originally included in an area to be rezoned to SV, but was ultimately kept at Clarksburg due to a newly available walkable option there. I see no reason to doubt MCPS when they have said, repeatedly, that they are aiming to maximize walkers, and when they have been rezoning neighborhoods accordingly.
PP here. Yes, I do think that the upcounty boundary decision indicates that they are indeed moving in the walk zone direction, however, I am not sure if they will do this with HH because HH brings a lot of SES diversity to RM. Fallsgrove will likely be zoned for Crown HS. This is why what they do with HH will be more telling.
????????????????
The reason why HH was rezoned to RM back in the 80s was to bring UMC income to RMHS.
That was in 1987. It is now 2023. Many things have changed in Montgomery County since 1987.
Yes, including the fact that Crown HS will be built and some UMC from RM cluster will be zoned to Crown. More than likely, HH will not go to Crown, but it could be rezoned to Wootton if they are serious about the walk factor.