Anonymous wrote:According to a post on AEM there is another person that might jump in the race...

"The four candidates I've heard are, Erin (confirmed), Miranda (confirmed), Angelo Cocchiaro (Confirmed), and Maggie Slye (rumored)."

It looks like Maggie Slye chairs the Early Childhood Advisory Committee that Miranda Turner also a member of.

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Anonymous wrote:I know her, although not well. I have mixed feelings on her. Her kids are nice, which in general speaks highly of a parent. She is a solid Key volunteer. She is EXTREMELY committed to the 'keep Key on Key' movement, anyone who feels differently must have nefarious motives or be stupid. She can be kind of standoffish. I don't know who the other candidates are.

That's the way Mary Kadera was about McKinley disappearing. Didn't stop her from getting on the Board.

That is true up to a point. Mary K was McKinley PTA president at the time- and she represented the McKinley viewpoint- Mckinley was more caught of guard then Key, and there were other options- moving ats to mcKinley was not the only viable option.
In contrast- Erin was part of the keep key on key movement for years. My memory on this issue goes back a long time- multiple times aps planning staff tried to engage the Key community about the need to move and get them to work collaboratively on a location. It was very clear for a long time that they needed the Key building as a neighborhood school. Erin was part of, if not the leader of, a group of parents who treated the staff with contempt and mocked them for even trying to raise the idea of a move. She absolutely refused to consider the validity of any of the data the staff presented about the need for a neighborhood school at the Key site, and she was extremely dismissive of any Key parent trying to suggest that we should be open to a new location. She was absolutely caught up in groupthink about it- talking to that group of parents was like talking to a buzz saw.

It’s fun to revisit some of that rhetoric about how a move would destroy the program. As far as I know everything move related has actually been totally fine and the effed up thing we should have been worried about (Covid) was a total surprise.

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Correct. Everything Erin & team said would happen didn't come to frution. A majority of Key parents have actually moved on, it's just a small group that can't get over it. This group isn't respected within APS circles or the larger Immersion community (parents, staff, admins, etc).

I’m a Key parent who is definitely over it, and yes, it’s mostly been fine… but the move did serve to shrink the immersion program, because Key previously had 6 K classes but can only fit 4 in the new building. So that’s one concern that did come true— fewer kids get to start immersion.

Going down to 4 K classes wasn't a product of the move. That had been long talked about and advocated for by immersion admins for years. Erin and "keep Key on Key" advocates did the Key community a disservice by linking the 2 issues. There is another whole thread on this site that talks about the quality of instruction at Key and how it needs to be improved. It's very hard to know each student by name, strength and need in an elementary school with over 700 students. Especially given the high number of SPED students and all immersion students are language learners.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this! https://www.mirandaturner.org/

She has my vote.

Just saw this? I feel like this is a plant. Anyway, can anyone confirm that this is a new campaign and not someone just stumbling upon her last campaign?

New! From the email that announced:

“Your support was crucial two years ago, and I'm asking for it again. I'm running for School Board in 2023 and I can't do it without you!

My priorities are simple:
Focusing on instruction that supports our students.
Prioritizing the resources to recruit, support, and retain our teachers.
Setting expectations that promote the best in all.
Providing oversight that asks tough questions on the budget and facilities.
Communicating with the community in a frequent, clear, and transparent way.”

I would never trust the judgment of someone who has been a leader in that group. Beyond all of their terrible behavior during the pandemic, they were still pushing GOP propaganda in 2022.

Arlington already rejected her once. Do it again.

Really?! is this what "GOP propaganda" look like:

from Miranda's website: "I’ve been an APS parent since 2015. I was a founding member of the Drew PTA in 2019 and still serve as Social Media Chair, am involved with the Montessori Public School of Arlington PTA, and serve as site liaison for the Drew/Green Valley Girls on the Run team. I’m a member of the Early Childhood Education Committee for the Advisory Council on Teaching & Learning. I volunteer as a Precinct Captain for the Arlington Democrats and spent time last fall knocking doors and poll greeting to elect local Democrats. I’m also a member of Green Valley Civic Association’s Executive Committee and our delegate to the Civic Federation.

In my professional life as a lawyer, I devote substantial time to volunteer pro bono work. I currently represent Planned Parenthood and litigate abortion rights in federal court, and I’ve mentored younger lawyers in housing rights cases and parole proceedings. "

She is a DINO. She's in it to win it, and has the race all locked up. She says the right Dem things while her base in her parent group will support her through the caucus and all the way to the election. She's very smary, savvy. It's not even a real race. She's going to run away with this.

She's put in a lot of time over many years pretending to be a Democrat so she can win a School Board seat in Arlington County? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

She is a lifelong Democrat. The fact she agreed with the Democratic President that school closures were wrong doesn't make her a Republican, unless you think AOC and those to the left of her are the only true Democrats.

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Anonymous wrote:I know her, although not well. I have mixed feelings on her. Her kids are nice, which in general speaks highly of a parent. She is a solid Key volunteer. She is EXTREMELY committed to the 'keep Key on Key' movement, anyone who feels differently must have nefarious motives or be stupid. She can be kind of standoffish. I don't know who the other candidates are.

That's the way Mary Kadera was about McKinley disappearing. Didn't stop her from getting on the Board.

That is true up to a point. Mary K was McKinley PTA president at the time- and she represented the McKinley viewpoint- Mckinley was more caught of guard then Key, and there were other options- moving ats to mcKinley was not the only viable option.
In contrast- Erin was part of the keep key on key movement for years. My memory on this issue goes back a long time- multiple times aps planning staff tried to engage the Key community about the need to move and get them to work collaboratively on a location. It was very clear for a long time that they needed the Key building as a neighborhood school. Erin was part of, if not the leader of, a group of parents who treated the staff with contempt and mocked them for even trying to raise the idea of a move. She absolutely refused to consider the validity of any of the data the staff presented about the need for a neighborhood school at the Key site, and she was extremely dismissive of any Key parent trying to suggest that we should be open to a new location. She was absolutely caught up in groupthink about it- talking to that group of parents was like talking to a buzz saw.

It’s fun to revisit some of that rhetoric about how a move would destroy the program. As far as I know everything move related has actually been totally fine and the effed up thing we should have been worried about (Covid) was a total surprise.

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Correct. Everything Erin & team said would happen didn't come to frution. A majority of Key parents have actually moved on, it's just a small group that can't get over it. This group isn't respected within APS circles or the larger Immersion community (parents, staff, admins, etc).

I’m a Key parent who is definitely over it, and yes, it’s mostly been fine… but the move did serve to shrink the immersion program, because Key previously had 6 K classes but can only fit 4 in the new building. So that’s one concern that did come true— fewer kids get to start immersion.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this! https://www.mirandaturner.org/

She has my vote.

Just saw this? I feel like this is a plant. Anyway, can anyone confirm that this is a new campaign and not someone just stumbling upon her last campaign?

New! From the email that announced:

“Your support was crucial two years ago, and I'm asking for it again. I'm running for School Board in 2023 and I can't do it without you!

My priorities are simple:
Focusing on instruction that supports our students.
Prioritizing the resources to recruit, support, and retain our teachers.
Setting expectations that promote the best in all.
Providing oversight that asks tough questions on the budget and facilities.
Communicating with the community in a frequent, clear, and transparent way.”

I would never trust the judgment of someone who has been a leader in that group. Beyond all of their terrible behavior during the pandemic, they were still pushing GOP propaganda in 2022.

Arlington already rejected her once. Do it again.

Really?! is this what "GOP propaganda" look like:

from Miranda's website: "I’ve been an APS parent since 2015. I was a founding member of the Drew PTA in 2019 and still serve as Social Media Chair, am involved with the Montessori Public School of Arlington PTA, and serve as site liaison for the Drew/Green Valley Girls on the Run team. I’m a member of the Early Childhood Education Committee for the Advisory Council on Teaching & Learning. I volunteer as a Precinct Captain for the Arlington Democrats and spent time last fall knocking doors and poll greeting to elect local Democrats. I’m also a member of Green Valley Civic Association’s Executive Committee and our delegate to the Civic Federation.

In my professional life as a lawyer, I devote substantial time to volunteer pro bono work. I currently represent Planned Parenthood and litigate abortion rights in federal court, and I’ve mentored younger lawyers in housing rights cases and parole proceedings. "

She is a DINO. She's in it to win it, and has the race all locked up. She says the right Dem things while her base in her parent group will support her through the caucus and all the way to the election. She's very smary, savvy. It's not even a real race. She's going to run away with this.

She's put in a lot of time over many years pretending to be a Democrat so she can win a School Board seat in Arlington County? That doesn't even begin to make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:I know her, although not well. I have mixed feelings on her. Her kids are nice, which in general speaks highly of a parent. She is a solid Key volunteer. She is EXTREMELY committed to the 'keep Key on Key' movement, anyone who feels differently must have nefarious motives or be stupid. She can be kind of standoffish. I don't know who the other candidates are.

That's the way Mary Kadera was about McKinley disappearing. Didn't stop her from getting on the Board.

That is true up to a point. Mary K was McKinley PTA president at the time- and she represented the McKinley viewpoint- Mckinley was more caught of guard then Key, and there were other options- moving ats to mcKinley was not the only viable option.
In contrast- Erin was part of the keep key on key movement for years. My memory on this issue goes back a long time- multiple times aps planning staff tried to engage the Key community about the need to move and get them to work collaboratively on a location. It was very clear for a long time that they needed the Key building as a neighborhood school. Erin was part of, if not the leader of, a group of parents who treated the staff with contempt and mocked them for even trying to raise the idea of a move. She absolutely refused to consider the validity of any of the data the staff presented about the need for a neighborhood school at the Key site, and she was extremely dismissive of any Key parent trying to suggest that we should be open to a new location. She was absolutely caught up in groupthink about it- talking to that group of parents was like talking to a buzz saw.

It’s fun to revisit some of that rhetoric about how a move would destroy the program. As far as I know everything move related has actually been totally fine and the effed up thing we should have been worried about (Covid) was a total surprise.

+1

Correct. Everything Erin & team said would happen didn't come to frution. A majority of Key parents have actually moved on, it's just a small group that can't get over it. This group isn't respected within APS circles or the larger Immersion community (parents, staff, admins, etc).

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this! https://www.mirandaturner.org/

She has my vote.

Just saw this? I feel like this is a plant. Anyway, can anyone confirm that this is a new campaign and not someone just stumbling upon her last campaign?

New! From the email that announced:

“Your support was crucial two years ago, and I'm asking for it again. I'm running for School Board in 2023 and I can't do it without you!

My priorities are simple:
Focusing on instruction that supports our students.
Prioritizing the resources to recruit, support, and retain our teachers.
Setting expectations that promote the best in all.
Providing oversight that asks tough questions on the budget and facilities.
Communicating with the community in a frequent, clear, and transparent way.”

I would never trust the judgment of someone who has been a leader in that group. Beyond all of their terrible behavior during the pandemic, they were still pushing GOP propaganda in 2022.

Arlington already rejected her once. Do it again.

Really?! is this what "GOP propaganda" look like:

from Miranda's website: "I’ve been an APS parent since 2015. I was a founding member of the Drew PTA in 2019 and still serve as Social Media Chair, am involved with the Montessori Public School of Arlington PTA, and serve as site liaison for the Drew/Green Valley Girls on the Run team. I’m a member of the Early Childhood Education Committee for the Advisory Council on Teaching & Learning. I volunteer as a Precinct Captain for the Arlington Democrats and spent time last fall knocking doors and poll greeting to elect local Democrats. I’m also a member of Green Valley Civic Association’s Executive Committee and our delegate to the Civic Federation.

In my professional life as a lawyer, I devote substantial time to volunteer pro bono work. I currently represent Planned Parenthood and litigate abortion rights in federal court, and I’ve mentored younger lawyers in housing rights cases and parole proceedings. "

She is a DINO. She's in it to win it, and has the race all locked up. She says the right Dem things while her base in her parent group will support her through the caucus and all the way to the election. She's very smary, savvy. It's not even a real race. She's going to run away with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this! https://www.mirandaturner.org/

She has my vote.

Just saw this? I feel like this is a plant. Anyway, can anyone confirm that this is a new campaign and not someone just stumbling upon her last campaign?

New! From the email that announced:

“Your support was crucial two years ago, and I'm asking for it again. I'm running for School Board in 2023 and I can't do it without you!

My priorities are simple:
Focusing on instruction that supports our students.
Prioritizing the resources to recruit, support, and retain our teachers.
Setting expectations that promote the best in all.
Providing oversight that asks tough questions on the budget and facilities.
Communicating with the community in a frequent, clear, and transparent way.”

I would never trust the judgment of someone who has been a leader in that group. Beyond all of their terrible behavior during the pandemic, they were still pushing GOP propaganda in 2022.

Arlington already rejected her once. Do it again.

Really?! is this what "GOP propaganda" look like:

from Miranda's website: "I’ve been an APS parent since 2015. I was a founding member of the Drew PTA in 2019 and still serve as Social Media Chair, am involved with the Montessori Public School of Arlington PTA, and serve as site liaison for the Drew/Green Valley Girls on the Run team. I’m a member of the Early Childhood Education Committee for the Advisory Council on Teaching & Learning. I volunteer as a Precinct Captain for the Arlington Democrats and spent time last fall knocking doors and poll greeting to elect local Democrats. I’m also a member of Green Valley Civic Association’s Executive Committee and our delegate to the Civic Federation.

In my professional life as a lawyer, I devote substantial time to volunteer pro bono work. I currently represent Planned Parenthood and litigate abortion rights in federal court, and I’ve mentored younger lawyers in housing rights cases and parole proceedings. "

She is a DINO. She's in it to win it, and has the race all locked up. She says the right Dem things while her base in her parent group will support her through the caucus and all the way to the election. She's very smary, savvy. It's not even a real race. She's going to run away with this.

Exactly.

If you were actually reading their newsletters, you’d see it. On the surface, she’s a shiny D. But she has been with this group for years. That says plenty.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this! https://www.mirandaturner.org/

She has my vote.

Just saw this? I feel like this is a plant. Anyway, can anyone confirm that this is a new campaign and not someone just stumbling upon her last campaign?

New! From the email that announced:

“Your support was crucial two years ago, and I'm asking for it again. I'm running for School Board in 2023 and I can't do it without you!

My priorities are simple:
Focusing on instruction that supports our students.
Prioritizing the resources to recruit, support, and retain our teachers.
Setting expectations that promote the best in all.
Providing oversight that asks tough questions on the budget and facilities.
Communicating with the community in a frequent, clear, and transparent way.”

I would never trust the judgment of someone who has been a leader in that group. Beyond all of their terrible behavior during the pandemic, they were still pushing GOP propaganda in 2022.

Arlington already rejected her once. Do it again.

Really?! is this what "GOP propaganda" look like:

from Miranda's website: "I’ve been an APS parent since 2015. I was a founding member of the Drew PTA in 2019 and still serve as Social Media Chair, am involved with the Montessori Public School of Arlington PTA, and serve as site liaison for the Drew/Green Valley Girls on the Run team. I’m a member of the Early Childhood Education Committee for the Advisory Council on Teaching & Learning. I volunteer as a Precinct Captain for the Arlington Democrats and spent time last fall knocking doors and poll greeting to elect local Democrats. I’m also a member of Green Valley Civic Association’s Executive Committee and our delegate to the Civic Federation.

In my professional life as a lawyer, I devote substantial time to volunteer pro bono work. I currently represent Planned Parenthood and litigate abortion rights in federal court, and I’ve mentored younger lawyers in housing rights cases and parole proceedings. "

She is a DINO. She's in it to win it, and has the race all locked up. She says the right Dem things while her base in her parent group will support her through the caucus and all the way to the election. She's very smary, savvy. It's not even a real race. She's going to run away with this.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this! https://www.mirandaturner.org/

She has my vote.

Just saw this? I feel like this is a plant. Anyway, can anyone confirm that this is a new campaign and not someone just stumbling upon her last campaign?

New! From the email that announced:

“Your support was crucial two years ago, and I'm asking for it again. I'm running for School Board in 2023 and I can't do it without you!

My priorities are simple:
Focusing on instruction that supports our students.
Prioritizing the resources to recruit, support, and retain our teachers.
Setting expectations that promote the best in all.
Providing oversight that asks tough questions on the budget and facilities.
Communicating with the community in a frequent, clear, and transparent way.”

I would never trust the judgment of someone who has been a leader in that group. Beyond all of their terrible behavior during the pandemic, they were still pushing GOP propaganda in 2022.

Arlington already rejected her once. Do it again.

Really?! is this what "GOP propaganda" look like:

from Miranda's website: "I’ve been an APS parent since 2015. I was a founding member of the Drew PTA in 2019 and still serve as Social Media Chair, am involved with the Montessori Public School of Arlington PTA, and serve as site liaison for the Drew/Green Valley Girls on the Run team. I’m a member of the Early Childhood Education Committee for the Advisory Council on Teaching & Learning. I volunteer as a Precinct Captain for the Arlington Democrats and spent time last fall knocking doors and poll greeting to elect local Democrats. I’m also a member of Green Valley Civic Association’s Executive Committee and our delegate to the Civic Federation.

In my professional life as a lawyer, I devote substantial time to volunteer pro bono work. I currently represent Planned Parenthood and litigate abortion rights in federal court, and I’ve mentored younger lawyers in housing rights cases and parole proceedings. "

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Anonymous wrote:I know her, although not well. I have mixed feelings on her. Her kids are nice, which in general speaks highly of a parent. She is a solid Key volunteer. She is EXTREMELY committed to the 'keep Key on Key' movement, anyone who feels differently must have nefarious motives or be stupid. She can be kind of standoffish. I don't know who the other candidates are.

That's the way Mary Kadera was about McKinley disappearing. Didn't stop her from getting on the Board.

That is true up to a point. Mary K was McKinley PTA president at the time- and she represented the McKinley viewpoint- Mckinley was more caught of guard then Key, and there were other options- moving ats to mcKinley was not the only viable option.
In contrast- Erin was part of the keep key on key movement for years. My memory on this issue goes back a long time- multiple times aps planning staff tried to engage the Key community about the need to move and get them to work collaboratively on a location. It was very clear for a long time that they needed the Key building as a neighborhood school. Erin was part of, if not the leader of, a group of parents who treated the staff with contempt and mocked them for even trying to raise the idea of a move. She absolutely refused to consider the validity of any of the data the staff presented about the need for a neighborhood school at the Key site, and she was extremely dismissive of any Key parent trying to suggest that we should be open to a new location. She was absolutely caught up in groupthink about it- talking to that group of parents was like talking to a buzz saw.

It’s fun to revisit some of that rhetoric about how a move would destroy the program. As far as I know everything move related has actually been totally fine and the effed up thing we should have been worried about (Covid) was a total surprise.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this! https://www.mirandaturner.org/

She has my vote.

Just saw this? I feel like this is a plant. Anyway, can anyone confirm that this is a new campaign and not someone just stumbling upon her last campaign?

New! From the email that announced:

“Your support was crucial two years ago, and I'm asking for it again. I'm running for School Board in 2023 and I can't do it without you!

My priorities are simple:
Focusing on instruction that supports our students.
Prioritizing the resources to recruit, support, and retain our teachers.
Setting expectations that promote the best in all.
Providing oversight that asks tough questions on the budget and facilities.
Communicating with the community in a frequent, clear, and transparent way.”

I would never trust the judgment of someone who has been a leader in that group. Beyond all of their terrible behavior during the pandemic, they were still pushing GOP propaganda in 2022.

Arlington already rejected her once. Do it again.

Really?! is this what "GOP propaganda" look like:

from Miranda's website: "I’ve been an APS parent since 2015. I was a founding member of the Drew PTA in 2019 and still serve as Social Media Chair, am involved with the Montessori Public School of Arlington PTA, and serve as site liaison for the Drew/Green Valley Girls on the Run team. I’m a member of the Early Childhood Education Committee for the Advisory Council on Teaching & Learning. I volunteer as a Precinct Captain for the Arlington Democrats and spent time last fall knocking doors and poll greeting to elect local Democrats. I’m also a member of Green Valley Civic Association’s Executive Committee and our delegate to the Civic Federation.

In my professional life as a lawyer, I devote substantial time to volunteer pro bono work. I currently represent Planned Parenthood and litigate abortion rights in federal court, and I’ve mentored younger lawyers in housing rights cases and parole proceedings. "

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this! https://www.mirandaturner.org/

She has my vote.

Just saw this? I feel like this is a plant. Anyway, can anyone confirm that this is a new campaign and not someone just stumbling upon her last campaign?

New! From the email that announced:

“Your support was crucial two years ago, and I'm asking for it again. I'm running for School Board in 2023 and I can't do it without you!

My priorities are simple:
Focusing on instruction that supports our students.
Prioritizing the resources to recruit, support, and retain our teachers.
Setting expectations that promote the best in all.
Providing oversight that asks tough questions on the budget and facilities.
Communicating with the community in a frequent, clear, and transparent way.”

I would never trust the judgment of someone who has been a leader in that group. Beyond all of their terrible behavior during the pandemic, they were still pushing GOP propaganda in 2022.

Arlington already rejected her once. Do it again.

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Anonymous wrote:Just saw this! https://www.mirandaturner.org/

She has my vote.

Just saw this? I feel like this is a plant. Anyway, can anyone confirm that this is a new campaign and not someone just stumbling upon her last campaign?

New! From the email that announced:

“Your support was crucial two years ago, and I'm asking for it again. I'm running for School Board in 2023 and I can't do it without you!

My priorities are simple:
Focusing on instruction that supports our students.
Prioritizing the resources to recruit, support, and retain our teachers.
Setting expectations that promote the best in all.
Providing oversight that asks tough questions on the budget and facilities.
Communicating with the community in a frequent, clear, and transparent way.”

I would never trust the judgment of someone who has been a leader in that group. Beyond all of their terrible behavior during the pandemic, they were still pushing GOP propaganda in 2022.

Arlington already rejected her once. Do it again.

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Anonymous wrote:I know her, although not well. I have mixed feelings on her. Her kids are nice, which in general speaks highly of a parent. She is a solid Key volunteer. She is EXTREMELY committed to the 'keep Key on Key' movement, anyone who feels differently must have nefarious motives or be stupid. She can be kind of standoffish. I don't know who the other candidates are.

That's the way Mary Kadera was about McKinley disappearing. Didn't stop her from getting on the Board.

That is true up to a point. Mary K was McKinley PTA president at the time- and she represented the McKinley viewpoint- Mckinley was more caught of guard then Key, and there were other options- moving ats to mcKinley was not the only viable option.
In contrast- Erin was part of the keep key on key movement for years. My memory on this issue goes back a long time- multiple times aps planning staff tried to engage the Key community about the need to move and get them to work collaboratively on a location. It was very clear for a long time that they needed the Key building as a neighborhood school. Erin was part of, if not the leader of, a group of parents who treated the staff with contempt and mocked them for even trying to raise the idea of a move. She absolutely refused to consider the validity of any of the data the staff presented about the need for a neighborhood school at the Key site, and she was extremely dismissive of any Key parent trying to suggest that we should be open to a new location. She was absolutely caught up in groupthink about it- talking to that group of parents was like talking to a buzz saw.