Anonymous
Post 02/23/2023 13:36     Subject: Re:In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Anonymous wrote:Nope. This speaks more to culture than anything. $35k is not enough to jump for.


+1. I work in tech and wear hoodies and jeans and I've worked at banks and worn dry clean only theory dresses and high heels every day. The environment is way more controlled if you need to be in 5 days a week and you need to be in very formal clothing. There is a level of control there that I personally don't like. It feels like this nanny state that won't trust you to get your work done if you are not in the office. I would weigh the culture part carefully. The dry-cleaning, wear and tare on your car, + time you are going to spend at the office/loose should also be weighted even if childcare is not an issue.

Do you want this change in lifestyle? Do you want it for $35K?
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 23:25     Subject: Re:In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Anonymous wrote:OP, are you the person who previously worked two remote jobs and just got laid off from one of them???? Some of the responses in this thread have a similar writing pattern.


I am a ChatGPT
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 20:18     Subject: Re:In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
OP, are you the person who previously worked two remote jobs and just got laid off from one of them???? Some of the responses in this thread have a similar writing pattern.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 15:01     Subject: In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
No way. Not worth it to me.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 14:58     Subject: In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:not worth it for $35k



And why not? The job is a 30 minute drive with free parking and no tolls. I have a 2022 car that gets 30mpg. It is 35k more but it has a super good retirement match.

I also have a job interview with a 80k raise in person but that is managing three direct reports who each have ten direct reports. That sounds stressful. This is a Cushy job in person


say you spend $5K in suits.

Then you add 7.5 hours a week for 52 weeks a year for the commute. That is 390 hours. your hourly rate for the remaining $30K is $76 per hour.

Then take away 28% for taxes. Hourly rate is now $55

So unless you are making less than 100K- not worth it.

Also factor in additional childcare, gas, tools, car wear and tear. And the hourly rate is less.

Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 14:04     Subject: In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
the only people that need to be wearing suits are politicians and lawyers

hard no.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 14:00     Subject: In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Anonymous wrote:Hang the suit in your office. Change clothes there.
You will be given an office, won't you?


This is my question. Will you have your own office? If so, you can keep three suits, shirts, ties dress shoes at the office and wear normal clothes in and out of the office. That way you can go out directly from the office, etc.

That’s what I did when I had to wear a suit from 2005 to 2012.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 13:59     Subject: In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Anonymous wrote:not worth it for $35k



And why not? The job is a 30 minute drive with free parking and no tolls. I have a 2022 car that gets 30mpg. It is 35k more but it has a super good retirement match.

I also have a job interview with a 80k raise in person but that is managing three direct reports who each have ten direct reports. That sounds stressful. This is a Cushy job in person
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 13:56     Subject: In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I hope the job doesn't require writing in complete sentences..


It’s on the Hill. So I will just use fancy charts with colors and jargon and woke words. Download off slide share some pretty power point slides and waive my electronic pointer. I get to wear my suit in person and act important.

maybe watch a few madmen episodes before I go.

I loved the interviews me in a fresh suit, smell of dry cleaning in my power tie chatting up hot HR lady. Dropping names. It was great. Looking forward to it. God did not make me to sit in a basement on a hoodie all day.

And the second in charge position they l ft open so I can hire my own. And they used the four words that I love. “Executive Deferred Compensation Plan” can’t wait to be back in person. Maybe I will get a Porsche 911 convertible to go with my Don Draper suit wearing look. So sick of being home. Life 360 I don’t leave house for days at a time and my car battery died twice.

Turns out it is a $52,000 raise so for $1,000 a week raise I guess I am back on the saddle!! Can’t wait to “white board” and have over site board strategy sessions and attend long winded EXCO type meetings where I drop a George Castanzza type nugget of wisdom


How do you eat your dessert? With your handsss?
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 13:48     Subject: In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
not worth it for $35k
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 12:05     Subject: Re:In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nope. This speaks more to culture than anything. $35k is not enough to jump for.

This is where I fall on the question. Going from $170k to $205K but having to wear a suit and commute a total of an hour to an hour and a half round trip each day? No thanks. After taxes, commuting costs, and dry cleaning, you're not clearing that much extra money.

I might consider it if I could double my salary, but not for the increase you're talking about.


This is where I come down on it too. The extra juice isn’t worth the squeeze. After tax 35k is maybe ~2k net/month. Call it $1,500/month after dry cleaning and gas/parking. Call it an extra $375/week, but with an extra 90 min. per day lost, OP will be committing an extra 7.5 hours of her life per week that she currently has free to do something personally.

$375/7.5 = an extra $50/hour for her time. Personally, I’d rather spend an hour of my life at the gym, sleeping in, cooking nice food, etc. than trade that hour of my life for $50. But if I was in a place of financial hardship that calculus could change. Only OP can make that call.


I never went to gym once or slept in late once entire time home in last three years. I don’t even get lunch break. It is horrible.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 11:08     Subject: Re:In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:I’m going to disagree that $35K is not a lot of money, even after taxes and commuting cost.

That said, I’d not take it if you do t actually need the money.


OP I don’t like WFH it is not healthy. I got first taste of it in 2017. We allowed staff Fridays home and up to 10 additional WFH days. Next thing you know Covid came and it became a circus. I want to be with the grown ups again





I’m the poster you were replying to and I actually agree. I WFH and I would much rather hybrid. But 5 days is a lot to me and the full suit does indicate a culture that might be over the top. You could of course ask about the environment. Maybe they gave good reason for the suit.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 10:28     Subject: In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
No one can answer this question but you - you are the only one who knows how much you value WFH/not wearing a suit. To me, I don't care about a suit but 5 days per week in the office is a no. Up to 3 days in person is what I am ok with.
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 10:25     Subject: Re:In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Nope. This speaks more to culture than anything. $35k is not enough to jump for.

This is where I fall on the question. Going from $170k to $205K but having to wear a suit and commute a total of an hour to an hour and a half round trip each day? No thanks. After taxes, commuting costs, and dry cleaning, you're not clearing that much extra money.

I might consider it if I could double my salary, but not for the increase you're talking about.


This is where I come down on it too. The extra juice isn’t worth the squeeze. After tax 35k is maybe ~2k net/month. Call it $1,500/month after dry cleaning and gas/parking. Call it an extra $375/week, but with an extra 90 min. per day lost, OP will be committing an extra 7.5 hours of her life per week that she currently has free to do something personally.

$375/7.5 = an extra $50/hour for her time. Personally, I’d rather spend an hour of my life at the gym, sleeping in, cooking nice food, etc. than trade that hour of my life for $50. But if I was in a place of financial hardship that calculus could change. Only OP can make that call.


+1 I think that's exactly the right reasoning. How much do you need or want that extra money, compared to what you'd be giving up? (Time and flexibility, being the biggest things.)
Anonymous
Post 02/22/2023 10:23     Subject: In Person 5 Days a Week with a Suit Job Offer
Don't you want to wear a nice suit, OP?

I'll never understand the American need to dress as trashy as possible.