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Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is a bad thing.
We are talking about procedures that have life-long consequences when these people are minors and do not have the critical thinking or judgment to know the full effects of their decisions.

+1 hear hear

Might not be PC to say it, but I am friends with 2 detransitioners. They are back to being cis women and the trauma they feel is beyond our imagination. They feel utterly betrayed and disillusioned. I have had to talk one of them out of some very dark moments.

Not everyone who experiences discomfort with their body needs to transition. There is a LOT else going on, and IMO this whole gender ideology thing has turned into a dangerous cult.

I hear this. I really do. But people wanting to remove this FOR EVERYONE is wrong. I could be on board with stricter parameters, but to disallow all reaffirming care is just wrong and damaging.

+1 So, so well put.

And I don’t want the “moderates” deluding themselves again. The GOP won’t stop with kids; they’ll outlaw all trans care.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't legally sign a contract to buy a car, a house, etc. until you're 18, but you can have a double mastectomy (and yes, this is happening to minors).

Puberty blockers aren't anything to be taken lightly either. Many think the results are reversible, but that's not often the case.

Many European countries are reversing course on these medical "interventions", even progressive Sweden, Finland, Denmark...

bottom line, if you don't want to do these things, then don't, but please don't tell other people how they should live their lives

We are talking about kids here.

If they are over 18, they can join the military or buy a gun. That is ok with you, but control over their identity or who they are as a person poses some sort of threat to you?

Way to miss the point. We're not talking about legal adults, who are over the age of 18. This concerns *minors*.
DP

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I am appalled. So sad for these kids. I want politicians to stay out of our pants and out of our exam rooms.

"Kids" being the operative word here. This applies only to those under the age of 18.

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Anonymous wrote:Let kids get their healthy body parts cut off but also empower them to sue if they have regrets once they’re an adult. Fair compromise

No. If they want their body parts cut off, let them wait until their brains have developed enough to make a rational decision.
That age is actually around age 25.

Then we shouldn't force teenagers to have babies. After all, their brains have not developed enough to make a rational decision. How can you ban kids from transitioning but then force them to bear children?

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Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is a bad thing.
We are talking about procedures that have life-long consequences when these people are minors and do not have the critical thinking or judgment to know the full effects of their decisions.

+1 hear hear

Might not be PC to say it, but I am friends with 2 detransitioners. They are back to being cis women and the trauma they feel is beyond our imagination. They feel utterly betrayed and disillusioned. I have had to talk one of them out of some very dark moments.

Not everyone who experiences discomfort with their body needs to transition. There is a LOT else going on, and IMO this whole gender ideology thing has turned into a dangerous cult.

I hear this. I really do. But people wanting to remove this FOR EVERYONE is wrong. I could be on board with stricter parameters, but to disallow all reaffirming care is just wrong and damaging.

Anonymous wrote:It's going to be as popular as the lobotomy.

There has to be a better way to help teens in crisis.

If I understand the GOP’s “better way” it’s take away all their books that aren’t McGuffey’s Reader, get rid of any and all classes for higher thinking and get the girls pregnant by old men statutorily raping them, then force them to get married.

Anonymous wrote:You can't legally sign a contract to buy a car, a house, etc. until you're 18, but you can have a double mastectomy (and yes, this is happening to minors).

Puberty blockers aren't anything to be taken lightly either. Many think the results are reversible, but that's not often the case.

Many European countries are reversing course on these medical "interventions", even progressive Sweden, Finland, Denmark...

You’d be more believable if you linked to news stories about this.

It's going to be as popular as the lobotomy.

There has to be a better way to help teens in crisis.

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Anonymous wrote:You can't legally sign a contract to buy a car, a house, etc. until you're 18, but you can have a double mastectomy (and yes, this is happening to minors).

Puberty blockers aren't anything to be taken lightly either. Many think the results are reversible, but that's not often the case.

Many European countries are reversing course on these medical "interventions", even progressive Sweden, Finland, Denmark...

Please find me one exame of a pre 18 year old having a double mastectomy.

Not hard to do

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/health/top-surgery-transgender-teenagers.html

WHO CARES??!! You worry about your kids, let other people worry about their kids!!!!! Who the hell do people think they are to even have an opinion on this if it's not their family member. Mind your own damn business and stop it with all this crap.

So, you’re against child abuse laws and truancy laws?

You're disgusting to equate the two. I see what you're trying to do and won't engage. People like you make me sick.

You said everyone should only worry about their own kids and that we can’t have opinions about other people’s kids. If that’s your stance then I hope you won’t bother calling the police if you see your neighbor beating his kids.

That's, as PP noted, illegal. Beating kids is an illegal activity. Kind of black and white, except for the religious whackos who claim spare the rod, spoil the child. So I think most of us in this country can agree that beating children is a bad thing. Not much grey area there.
No grey areas around schooling. Required to go. Education good. Truancy bad. Not much to consider there.
Mental health issues are grey. I think most of us would agree, and yet you keep acting like it's a black and white issue and approaching it with such simple, linear thinking. It used to be a black and white issue to do electro shock therapy. Not anymore because we've learned how to do better. It used to be that certain medications were given for certain mental health disorders like schizophrenia. Not anymore because we've learned how to do better.
It used to be that we wouldn't attempt to help kids who identify as transgender. Not anymore because we've learned how to do better.
But if you want your kid to stay the course and not offer them help, that's your right as their parent. Good luck to you.

Anonymous wrote:I don't think this is a bad thing.
We are talking about procedures that have life-long consequences when these people are minors and do not have the critical thinking or judgment to know the full effects of their decisions.

+1 hear hear

Might not be PC to say it, but I am friends with 2 detransitioners. They are back to being cis women and the trauma they feel is beyond our imagination. They feel utterly betrayed and disillusioned. I have had to talk one of them out of some very dark moments.

Not everyone who experiences discomfort with their body needs to transition. There is a LOT else going on, and IMO this whole gender ideology thing has turned into a dangerous cult.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/14/health/puberty-blockers-transgender.html

"In 2015, four prominent American gender clinics were awarded $7 million to examine the effects of blockers and hormone treatment on transgender youth. In explaining their study, the researchers pointed out that the United States had produced no data on the impact or safety of blockers, particularly among transgender patients under 12, leaving a “gap in evidence for this practice.” Seven years in, they have yet to report key outcomes of their work, but say the findings are coming soon."

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't legally sign a contract to buy a car, a house, etc. until you're 18, but you can have a double mastectomy (and yes, this is happening to minors).

Puberty blockers aren't anything to be taken lightly either. Many think the results are reversible, but that's not often the case.

Many European countries are reversing course on these medical "interventions", even progressive Sweden, Finland, Denmark...

Please find me one exame of a pre 18 year old having a double mastectomy.

Not hard to do

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/health/top-surgery-transgender-teenagers.html

WHO CARES??!! You worry about your kids, let other people worry about their kids!!!!! Who the hell do people think they are to even have an opinion on this if it's not their family member. Mind your own damn business and stop it with all this crap.

So, you’re against child abuse laws and truancy laws?

You're disgusting to equate the two. I see what you're trying to do and won't engage. People like you make me sick.

You said everyone should only worry about their own kids and that we can’t have opinions about other people’s kids. If that’s your stance then I hope you won’t bother calling the police if you see your neighbor beating his kids.

Anonymous wrote:UK's NHS issued a guidance against any type of transition for minors, including social guidance.

In Europe they’re following the science on this. Over here it’s full speed castration ahead for children.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't legally sign a contract to buy a car, a house, etc. until you're 18, but you can have a double mastectomy (and yes, this is happening to minors).

Puberty blockers aren't anything to be taken lightly either. Many think the results are reversible, but that's not often the case.

Many European countries are reversing course on these medical "interventions", even progressive Sweden, Finland, Denmark...

Please find me one exame of a pre 18 year old having a double mastectomy.

Not hard to do

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/health/top-surgery-transgender-teenagers.html

WHO CARES??!! You worry about your kids, let other people worry about their kids!!!!! Who the hell do people think they are to even have an opinion on this if it's not their family member. Mind your own damn business and stop it with all this crap.

So, you’re against child abuse laws and truancy laws?

You're disgusting to equate the two. I see what you're trying to do and won't engage. People like you make me sick.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You can't legally sign a contract to buy a car, a house, etc. until you're 18, but you can have a double mastectomy (and yes, this is happening to minors).

Puberty blockers aren't anything to be taken lightly either. Many think the results are reversible, but that's not often the case.

Many European countries are reversing course on these medical "interventions", even progressive Sweden, Finland, Denmark...

Please find me one exame of a pre 18 year old having a double mastectomy.

Not hard to do

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/26/health/top-surgery-transgender-teenagers.html

WHO CARES??!! You worry about your kids, let other people worry about their kids!!!!! Who the hell do people think they are to even have an opinion on this if it's not their family member. Mind your own damn business and stop it with all this crap.

So, you’re against child abuse laws and truancy laws?

What law is being broken here?