Anonymous
02/15/2023 11:16
Subject: Re:23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
I started this thread last year.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1034963.page
It's worse than this thread.
https://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/1034963.page
It's worse than this thread.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 11:10
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s your issue with #2? They honestly need so much more to make that job worth it.
They need to be paid all that money to do a good job teaching.
Imagine kindergarten teacher #1: her students all come from homes where both parents are literate, 85%have college and 50% have graduate degrees. Their children have been to parks, zoos, museums, restaurants, libraries, and community classes and sports. Most of her students have been read aloud too since they were babies and their families have accumulated libraries in their homes with a selection of books they read together. The students are familiar with books and even have favorites.
And teacher #2: about a quarter of her students come from homes where parents are not literate in any language. Another quarter have basic literacy in a language other than English. More than half of her students’ parents did not attend college for any length of time. Their parents work double shifts during which time the kids are watched by extended family. They go on outings occasionally but have not yet visited a library or museum, and have not been in an organized group like a class or day care. More than half the students have not been read to and there are no books in the home. The students are largely unfamiliar with books and cannot handle one correctly (identify the cover, turn the pages in the right direction).
If teacher #2’s kids are not achieving the same as teacher #1 at the end of the year, you can blame the teacher, or you can look at the systemic issues that are causing students to enter their first day of their first year of school already woefully behind. Obviously we need good teachers in Baltimore. But there is much more at work than “bad teachers.”
Trying to teach kids to read when there aren't even basic needs met is a ridiculous threshold. We need more counselors, social workers, basic skills, IEP aides, etc. in classes. You also cant teach kids that arent in class.
The hypothetical for teacher #2 didn’t say the kids “basic needs” weren’t met.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 10:46
Subject: Re:23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fox News logic never ceases to amaze me. Baltimore can barely attract teachers to stay more than a couple years as-is, but hey, let’s insinuate that we believe they’re overpaid!
+1
Republicans don't care about our schools; they only want to fearmonger.
Sit TF down, OP.
Friendly reminder: Balto is a 100% All-Dem city, friend
Tragic. Will never forget once hearing “If you wanted to keep poor people in chains, you would do EXACTLY what Democrats are doing.”
Anonymous
02/15/2023 10:42
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s your issue with #2? They honestly need so much more to make that job worth it.
They need to be paid all that money to do a good job teaching.
Imagine kindergarten teacher #1: her students all come from homes where both parents are literate, 85%have college and 50% have graduate degrees. Their children have been to parks, zoos, museums, restaurants, libraries, and community classes and sports. Most of her students have been read aloud too since they were babies and their families have accumulated libraries in their homes with a selection of books they read together. The students are familiar with books and even have favorites.
And teacher #2: about a quarter of her students come from homes where parents are not literate in any language. Another quarter have basic literacy in a language other than English. More than half of her students’ parents did not attend college for any length of time. Their parents work double shifts during which time the kids are watched by extended family. They go on outings occasionally but have not yet visited a library or museum, and have not been in an organized group like a class or day care. More than half the students have not been read to and there are no books in the home. The students are largely unfamiliar with books and cannot handle one correctly (identify the cover, turn the pages in the right direction).
If teacher #2’s kids are not achieving the same as teacher #1 at the end of the year, you can blame the teacher, or you can look at the systemic issues that are causing students to enter their first day of their first year of school already woefully behind. Obviously we need good teachers in Baltimore. But there is much more at work than “bad teachers.”
Trying to teach kids to read when there aren't even basic needs met is a ridiculous threshold. We need more counselors, social workers, basic skills, IEP aides, etc. in classes. You also cant teach kids that arent in class.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 10:37
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1. 23 schools have zero students proficient in math.
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/23-baltimore-schools-have-zero-students-proficient-in-math-state-test-results-reveal-maryland-comprehensive-assessment-program-department-of-education-statistics-school-failures
2. Teachers can earn more than $90K after a few years in the classroom.
https://teachbaltimorecity.org/your-career/salary-and-benefits
3. Baltimore City is the fourth highest funded large school system in the country.
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-city-schools-spending-per-student-2022-enrollment-performance-kirwan-new-york-boston-washington
I don’t see how this city can be saved. If you think otherwise, why?
The teachers are not the problem and you know it.
Contrary to the fable, nobody can spin straw into gold.
OP never said teachers are the problem, but all the money being spent in Baltimore hasn't worked.
Because you can’t substitute bad parenting and no varying of education at home by throwing money at schools and teachers.
*valuing
Sounds like you are saying that teachers can't do anything when the parents don't value education. If that's the case, then probably just get any warm body in the classroom. No need for high teacher salaries. It's not doing to do anything anyway.
Probably true. But then that wouldn’t be “fair.” All kids have the opportunity to get an education, as they should. But if the kids don’t come to class, don’t listen, don’t behave, don’t do the work, it isn’t the teacher’s fault. We would be better off grouping kids by academic ability and willingness to be taught/learn together vs zip code. Put all the low preforming and behaviors problem kids in the same school. Teachers can then better teach to their level and more specifically address their struggles.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 10:28
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1. 23 schools have zero students proficient in math.
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/23-baltimore-schools-have-zero-students-proficient-in-math-state-test-results-reveal-maryland-comprehensive-assessment-program-department-of-education-statistics-school-failures
2. Teachers can earn more than $90K after a few years in the classroom.
https://teachbaltimorecity.org/your-career/salary-and-benefits
3. Baltimore City is the fourth highest funded large school system in the country.
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-city-schools-spending-per-student-2022-enrollment-performance-kirwan-new-york-boston-washington
I don’t see how this city can be saved. If you think otherwise, why?
The teachers are not the problem and you know it.
Contrary to the fable, nobody can spin straw into gold.
OP never said teachers are the problem, but all the money being spent in Baltimore hasn't worked.
Because you can’t substitute bad parenting and no varying of education at home by throwing money at schools and teachers.
*valuing
Sounds like you are saying that teachers can't do anything when the parents don't value education. If that's the case, then probably just get any warm body in the classroom. No need for high teacher salaries. It's not doing to do anything anyway.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 08:35
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1. 23 schools have zero students proficient in math.
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/23-baltimore-schools-have-zero-students-proficient-in-math-state-test-results-reveal-maryland-comprehensive-assessment-program-department-of-education-statistics-school-failures
2. Teachers can earn more than $90K after a few years in the classroom.
https://teachbaltimorecity.org/your-career/salary-and-benefits
3. Baltimore City is the fourth highest funded large school system in the country.
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-city-schools-spending-per-student-2022-enrollment-performance-kirwan-new-york-boston-washington
I don’t see how this city can be saved. If you think otherwise, why?
The teachers are not the problem and you know it.
Contrary to the fable, nobody can spin straw into gold.
OP never said teachers are the problem, but all the money being spent in Baltimore hasn't worked.
Because you can’t substitute bad parenting and no varying of education at home by throwing money at schools and teachers.
*valuing
Anonymous
02/15/2023 08:34
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:1. 23 schools have zero students proficient in math.
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/23-baltimore-schools-have-zero-students-proficient-in-math-state-test-results-reveal-maryland-comprehensive-assessment-program-department-of-education-statistics-school-failures
2. Teachers can earn more than $90K after a few years in the classroom.
https://teachbaltimorecity.org/your-career/salary-and-benefits
3. Baltimore City is the fourth highest funded large school system in the country.
https://foxbaltimore.com/news/project-baltimore/baltimore-city-schools-spending-per-student-2022-enrollment-performance-kirwan-new-york-boston-washington
I don’t see how this city can be saved. If you think otherwise, why?
The teachers are not the problem and you know it.
Contrary to the fable, nobody can spin straw into gold.
OP never said teachers are the problem, but all the money being spent in Baltimore hasn't worked.
Because you can’t substitute bad parenting and no varying of education at home by throwing money at schools and teachers.
Anonymous
02/15/2023 02:52
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s your issue with #2? They honestly need so much more to make that job worth it.
They need to be paid all that money to do a good job teaching.
Which one of them is doing a good job?
Anonymous
02/14/2023 23:16
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Charm City native here. Baltimore has generally been this way for decades. The primary reason for public failure is because there are so many great, relatively affordable privates with decent financial aid and solid college lists. Would you ever send your child to a school with 0 math proficiency? Any parent who is even remotely willing or able get their kids out. The ones who are left are not only in a failing situation in every way, they don’t even get the benefit of more motivated peer and/or parents in their community
Anonymous
02/14/2023 21:49
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:What’s your issue with #2? They honestly need so much more to make that job worth it.
They need to be paid all that money to do a good job teaching.
Imagine kindergarten teacher #1: her students all come from homes where both parents are literate, 85%have college and 50% have graduate degrees. Their children have been to parks, zoos, museums, restaurants, libraries, and community classes and sports. Most of her students have been read aloud too since they were babies and their families have accumulated libraries in their homes with a selection of books they read together. The students are familiar with books and even have favorites.
And teacher #2: about a quarter of her students come from homes where parents are not literate in any language. Another quarter have basic literacy in a language other than English. More than half of her students’ parents did not attend college for any length of time. Their parents work double shifts during which time the kids are watched by extended family. They go on outings occasionally but have not yet visited a library or museum, and have not been in an organized group like a class or day care. More than half the students have not been read to and there are no books in the home. The students are largely unfamiliar with books and cannot handle one correctly (identify the cover, turn the pages in the right direction).
If teacher #2’s kids are not achieving the same as teacher #1 at the end of the year, you can blame the teacher, or you can look at the systemic issues that are causing students to enter their first day of their first year of school already woefully behind. Obviously we need good teachers in Baltimore. But there is much more at work than “bad teachers.”
Anonymous
02/14/2023 20:45
Subject: Re:23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fox News logic never ceases to amaze me. Baltimore can barely attract teachers to stay more than a couple years as-is, but hey, let’s insinuate that we believe they’re overpaid!
+1
Republicans don't care about our schools; they only want to fearmonger.
Sit TF down, OP.
Um, Sandy Rosenberg is a Democrat.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 20:44
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:MD overall isn't great. Isn't Moco at 31%, PG 10%?? Math proficiency
The Montgomery County public schools are terrible.
Some of the worst. It’s the school board’s fault.
Um, didn’t Montgomery County residents vote for them? Shame on them.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 20:41
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:MD overall isn't great. Isn't Moco at 31%, PG 10%?? Math proficiency
The Montgomery County public schools are terrible.
Some of the worst. It’s the school board’s fault.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 20:39
Subject: 23 Baltimore City Schools Have Zero Students Proficient in Math
Anonymous wrote:What’s your issue with #2? They honestly need so much more to make that job worth it.
They need to be paid all that money to do a good job teaching.