Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:29     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:It is our first home purchase in NoVa, and I am trying to see if this experience is typical.

We went under contract for an older home in NoVa, for a reasonable price. While the overall condition of the home is good, some issues came up in inspection that we submitted to the sellers. The inspection addendum returned from them as fully denied, de facto making the home "as is" purchase.

Items included repairing a badly cracked driveway, replacing a 25+year old furnace, reinforcing the deck with rotted out supports, doing electrical work in the attic, and bringing an old chimney up to code. The chimney repair was estimated as expensive, so we asked for 15k with an estimate submitted, expecting to get somewhat less, meeting somewhere in the middle.

Is this bait and switch behavior typical in NoVa? I just wanted to adjust my expectations and go in prepared. I am somewhat taken aback.



Cold feet?
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:29     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:It is our first home purchase in NoVa, and I am trying to see if this experience is typical.

We went under contract for an older home in NoVa, for a reasonable price. While the overall condition of the home is good, some issues came up in inspection that we submitted to the sellers. The inspection addendum returned from them as fully denied, de facto making the home "as is" purchase.

Items included repairing a badly cracked driveway, replacing a 25+year old furnace, reinforcing the deck with rotted out supports, doing electrical work in the attic, and bringing an old chimney up to code. The chimney repair was estimated as expensive, so we asked for 15k with an estimate submitted, expecting to get somewhat less, meeting somewhere in the middle.

Is this bait and switch behavior typical in NoVa? I just wanted to adjust my expectations and go in prepared. I am somewhat taken aback.



This makes no sense from a legal point. A house is offered on tge market “as is” (buyer beware -owner is making no promises about anything?) and theoffer is made and accepted under those terms. In your situation you b no add an offer and it was accepted. They are under no obligation to make those changes. An offer like that cannot be turned into anything “de facto “. You choice now is whether or not to walk and risk losing your deposit (rules vary by state -talk to your agent but don’t trust what they say -many are hopelessly ignorant). If you really want the house hire a real estate lawyer to negotiate. But you made a good faith offer based upon what you could see. Next time do a pre-offer inspection. We did and walked in the dayof inspection to find 8 inches of water in tge basement. It’s much easier to walk away pre-offer tgs. After your offef has been accepted
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:25     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:Yes, it is. The home PP proudly described his parents living in sounds like a massive hellhole.

Read this:
https://www.cooverlaw.com/can-i-sue-the-seller-for-not-disclosing-defects/


OP isn’t buying in Maryland.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:24     Subject: De facto "as is"
never understood why people live like that — smelly, old, crusty houses with mold and crickets and electric sparks and furnaces beyond useful life? Why waste a life like that?
Meanwhile drive fancy cars and expecting to sell for millions.

That’s why as is and VA are dangerous propositions
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:21     Subject: De facto "as is"
Yes, it is. The home PP proudly described his parents living in sounds like a massive hellhole.

Read this:
https://www.cooverlaw.com/can-i-sue-the-seller-for-not-disclosing-defects/
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:20     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My parents bought a house in December 1973 that was 50 years old with cracks in driveway, older electric, note to check chimney.

We should sold it in 2003 with same driveway and same chimney untouched. We did update some electric.

Buyers are nuts


No, you are nuts. Asked the owners going to jail because people perished in an electric fire in an unpermitted owner “update”.

People live in such hovels it’s unbelievable


This post is not coherent.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:19     Subject: Re:De facto "as is"
This happens sometimes, it’s why you have an inspection contingency that lets you get out of the deal. There is zero requirement that they fix anything, or that they negotiate on repairs. I realize this is your fourth home purchase, but you sound pretty naive about the process.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:17     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:My parents bought a house in December 1973 that was 50 years old with cracks in driveway, older electric, note to check chimney.

We should sold it in 2003 with same driveway and same chimney untouched. We did update some electric.

Buyers are nuts


No, you are nuts. Asked the owners going to jail because people perished in an electric fire in an unpermitted owner “update”.

People live in such hovels it’s unbelievable
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:11     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are the prior owners old? I hate that


Yes.


Young know-it-all (from HGTV) are the best though


OP here - haha there is that!

Nah, we are boring middle aged folks who are on our 4th house, apparently blind sided by a culture change around inspection negotiations in the last few years.

Where are you moving from? It may be a regional thing if you’ve never purchased in an area with as tight a real estate market as the DMV.


Montgomery County! We had our normal home inspection experience there when buying and selling. Previously we did live in Indiana.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 23:09     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are the prior owners old? I hate that


Yes.


Young know-it-all (from HGTV) are the best though


OP here - haha there is that!

Nah, we are boring middle aged folks who are on our 4th house, apparently blind sided by a culture change around inspection negotiations in the last few years.

Where are you moving from? It may be a regional thing if you’ve never purchased in an area with as tight a real estate market as the DMV.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 22:54     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:My parents bought a house in December 1973 that was 50 years old with cracks in driveway, older electric, note to check chimney.

We should sold it in 2003 with same driveway and same chimney untouched. We did update some electric.

Buyers are nuts


Just curious, did you keep using the chimney anyway all this time?
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 22:52     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are the prior owners old? I hate that


Yes.


Young know-it-all (from HGTV) are the best though


OP here - haha there is that!

Nah, we are boring middle aged folks who are on our 4th house, apparently blind sided by a culture change around inspection negotiations in the last few years.
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 22:50     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Are the prior owners old? I hate that


Yes.


Young know-it-all (from HGTV) are the best though
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 22:45     Subject: De facto "as is"
My parents bought a house in December 1973 that was 50 years old with cracks in driveway, older electric, note to check chimney.

We should sold it in 2003 with same driveway and same chimney untouched. We did update some electric.

Buyers are nuts
Anonymous
Post 01/28/2023 22:41     Subject: De facto "as is"
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the furnace is in working order you can’t just ask for a new one because it’s old. I’ve never heard of that. Was there something specifically wrong with it??


Some pipe coming from it is cracked and is a potential carbon monoxide threat.


Ah ok. That makes more sense then just saying it’s old. Agree they should fix safety issues.


And there are open wires in the attic, plus chimney needs significant work. We need a compromise here since the house is not "as is".