Anonymous
02/16/2023 10:26
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
DP - welcome in the sense of full Inclusion with gay marriages and ordination of gays and respecting they are made in God’s image too - not some perversion of ideal humanity …
God's design for marriage is a "perversion of ideal humanity"? Mmmkay.
We are made in God’s image. Science shows homosexuality is largely genetic and not a trendy choice.
Love is love.
Proud to attend a church that honors gay marriage as equally sacred as straight marriage.
Sexuality in general is in the image of God. It doesn't mean we can partake in extramarital sex. Gay marriage is not sacred, just like premarital sex is not.
Your theological reasoning is shaky at best.
The Bible says that all are made in the image of God and that marriage is a sacred Union before God and community. Science shows that gay people are mostly born that way, so they are literally made in God’s image like the rest of us.
For people of Christian faith, Marriage is sacred when entered into as a sacrament of faith, love and commitment. Marriage is about obviously much more than sex. It provides legal protections to those who enter into committed loving relationships. Of course many marriages fail, but they are more likely to survive when recognized and supported by faith communities.
Marriage is extremely important in the long term to protect all the time and shared resources invested in the relationship. Just as important, if one spouse becomes sick marriage allow spouses access to see them in hospital and to help with medical decisions. There are many tragic stories of gays who were in life long relationships but unable to see their partners as they died and even after because they lived in places where gay marriage is not allowed and the families of the deceased are homophobic.
It is important to many of us to be part of faith communities that welcome and affirm Gay people.
Wrong. There's a difference between legal marriage and a sacrament, and you're confusing the two. No worries, that's a pretty common mistake!
The sacramental rite of the church in which two persons “enter into a life-long union, make their vows before God and the Church, and receive the grace and blessing of God to help them fulfill their vows” (BCP, p. 861). (Book of common prayer )
https://www.episcopalchurch.org/glossary/marriage/
The sacramental rites of the Episcopal Church include Confirmation, Ordination, Holy Matrimony, Reconciliation of a
Penitent, and Unction (BCP, pp. 860-861).
https://www.episcopalchurch.org/what-we-believe/sacraments/
Washington National Cathedral to start holding same-sex weddings By Michelle Boorstein January 8, 2013 at 10:47 p.m.
The Washington National Cathedral, one of the highest-profile churches in the US, will host same-sex weddings, a cathedral leader has said.
The Very Rev Gary Hall said the move brings about "the full participation" of gay people in the church.
The church has no official state sanction but has hosted presidential inaugural services and state funerals, and welcomed foreign heads of state.
Gay marriage is legal in the District of Columbia and nine US states.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-20967477
Anonymous
02/16/2023 10:12
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
DP - welcome in the sense of full Inclusion with gay marriages and ordination of gays and respecting they are made in God’s image too - not some perversion of ideal humanity …
God's design for marriage is a "perversion of ideal humanity"? Mmmkay.
We are made in God’s image. Science shows homosexuality is largely genetic and not a trendy choice.
Love is love.
Proud to attend a church that honors gay marriage as equally sacred as straight marriage.
Sexuality in general is in the image of God. It doesn't mean we can partake in extramarital sex. Gay marriage is not sacred, just like premarital sex is not.
Your theological reasoning is shaky at best.
The Bible says that all are made in the image of God and that marriage is a sacred Union before God and community. Science shows that gay people are mostly born that way, so they are literally made in God’s image like the rest of us.
For people of Christian faith, Marriage is sacred when entered into as a sacrament of faith, love and commitment. Marriage is about obviously much more than sex. It provides legal protections to those who enter into committed loving relationships. Of course many marriages fail, but they are more likely to survive when recognized and supported by faith communities.
Marriage is extremely important in the long term to protect all the time and shared resources invested in the relationship. Just as important, if one spouse becomes sick marriage allow spouses access to see them in hospital and to help with medical decisions. There are many tragic stories of gays who were in life long relationships but unable to see their partners as they died and even after because they lived in places where gay marriage is not allowed and the families of the deceased are homophobic.
It is important to many of us to be part of faith communities that welcome and affirm Gay people.
Wrong. There's a difference between legal marriage and a sacrament, and you're confusing the two. No worries, that's a pretty common mistake!
Yes that is why both legal gay marriage and affirming churches are needed to support gay families both spiritually and legally.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 10:02
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
DP - welcome in the sense of full Inclusion with gay marriages and ordination of gays and respecting they are made in God’s image too - not some perversion of ideal humanity …
God's design for marriage is a "perversion of ideal humanity"? Mmmkay.
We are made in God’s image. Science shows homosexuality is largely genetic and not a trendy choice.
Love is love.
Proud to attend a church that honors gay marriage as equally sacred as straight marriage.
Sexuality in general is in the image of God. It doesn't mean we can partake in extramarital sex. Gay marriage is not sacred, just like premarital sex is not.
Your theological reasoning is shaky at best.
The Bible says that all are made in the image of God and that marriage is a sacred Union before God and community. Science shows that gay people are mostly born that way, so they are literally made in God’s image like the rest of us.
For people of Christian faith, Marriage is sacred when entered into as a sacrament of faith, love and commitment. Marriage is about obviously much more than sex. It provides legal protections to those who enter into committed loving relationships. Of course many marriages fail, but they are more likely to survive when recognized and supported by faith communities.
Marriage is extremely important in the long term to protect all the time and shared resources invested in the relationship. Just as important, if one spouse becomes sick marriage allow spouses access to see them in hospital and to help with medical decisions. There are many tragic stories of gays who were in life long relationships but unable to see their partners as they died and even after because they lived in places where gay marriage is not allowed and the families of the deceased are homophobic.
It is important to many of us to be part of faith communities that welcome and affirm Gay people.
Wrong. There's a difference between legal marriage and a sacrament, and you're confusing the two. No worries, that's a pretty common mistake!
Anonymous
02/16/2023 09:15
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
DP - welcome in the sense of full Inclusion with gay marriages and ordination of gays and respecting they are made in God’s image too - not some perversion of ideal humanity …
God's design for marriage is a "perversion of ideal humanity"? Mmmkay.
We are made in God’s image. Science shows homosexuality is largely genetic and not a trendy choice.
Love is love.
Proud to attend a church that honors gay marriage as equally sacred as straight marriage.
Sexuality in general is in the image of God. It doesn't mean we can partake in extramarital sex. Gay marriage is not sacred, just like premarital sex is not.
Your theological reasoning is shaky at best.
The Bible says that all are made in the image of God and that marriage is a sacred Union before God and community. Science shows that gay people are mostly born that way, so they are literally made in God’s image like the rest of us.
For people of Christian faith, Marriage is sacred when entered into as a sacrament of faith, love and commitment. Marriage is about obviously much more than sex. It provides legal protections to those who enter into committed loving relationships. Of course many marriages fail, but they are more likely to survive when recognized and supported by faith communities.
Marriage is extremely important in the long term to protect all the time and shared resources invested in the relationship. Just as important, if one spouse becomes sick marriage allow spouses access to see them in hospital and to help with medical decisions. There are many tragic stories of gays who were in life long relationships but unable to see their partners as they died and even after because they lived in places where gay marriage is not allowed and the families of the deceased are homophobic.
It is important to many of us to be part of faith communities that welcome and affirm Gay people.
Well stated. Thanks.
Anonymous
02/16/2023 05:22
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
DP - welcome in the sense of full Inclusion with gay marriages and ordination of gays and respecting they are made in God’s image too - not some perversion of ideal humanity …
God's design for marriage is a "perversion of ideal humanity"? Mmmkay.
We are made in God’s image. Science shows homosexuality is largely genetic and not a trendy choice.
Love is love.
Proud to attend a church that honors gay marriage as equally sacred as straight marriage.
Sexuality in general is in the image of God. It doesn't mean we can partake in extramarital sex. Gay marriage is not sacred, just like premarital sex is not.
Your theological reasoning is shaky at best.
The Bible says that all are made in the image of God and that marriage is a sacred Union before God and community. Science shows that gay people are mostly born that way, so they are literally made in God’s image like the rest of us.
For people of Christian faith, Marriage is sacred when entered into as a sacrament of faith, love and commitment. Marriage is about obviously much more than sex. It provides legal protections to those who enter into committed loving relationships. Of course many marriages fail, but they are more likely to survive when recognized and supported by faith communities.
Marriage is extremely important in the long term to protect all the time and shared resources invested in the relationship. Just as important, if one spouse becomes sick marriage allow spouses access to see them in hospital and to help with medical decisions. There are many tragic stories of gays who were in life long relationships but unable to see their partners as they died and even after because they lived in places where gay marriage is not allowed and the families of the deceased are homophobic.
It is important to many of us to be part of faith communities that welcome and affirm Gay people.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 19:47
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
DP - welcome in the sense of full Inclusion with gay marriages and ordination of gays and respecting they are made in God’s image too - not some perversion of ideal humanity …
God's design for marriage is a "perversion of ideal humanity"? Mmmkay.
We are made in God’s image. Science shows homosexuality is largely genetic and not a trendy choice.
Love is love.
Proud to attend a church that honors gay marriage as equally sacred as straight marriage.
Sexuality in general is in the image of God. It doesn't mean we can partake in extramarital sex. Gay marriage is not sacred, just like premarital sex is not.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 18:13
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
DP - welcome in the sense of full Inclusion with gay marriages and ordination of gays and respecting they are made in God’s image too - not some perversion of ideal humanity …
God's design for marriage is a "perversion of ideal humanity"? Mmmkay.
We are made in God’s image. Science shows homosexuality is largely genetic and not a trendy choice.
Love is love.
Proud to attend a church that honors gay marriage as equally sacred as straight marriage.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 15:30
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
DP - welcome in the sense of full Inclusion with gay marriages and ordination of gays and respecting they are made in God’s image too - not some perversion of ideal humanity …
God's design for marriage is a "perversion of ideal humanity"? Mmmkay.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 15:28
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
Some churches don't welcome certain kinds of sinners -- i.e., gays
Gay people are always welcome at any church. What are you even talking about?
No. Wake up.
Sinners are always welcome. Stop pretending otherwise in order to try to own Republicans.
Anonymous
02/14/2023 07:55
Subject: What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'm completely opposed to the CoE's decision. One thing to know, though, is that the worldwide Anglican communion has a significant presence in African and other countries where the voices tend to be socially conservative.
But I thought we cared about Diversity and Black Voices?
We do but they does not mean we agree with every view… African countries are particularly homophobic with homosexuality criminalized in many countries.
There are many wonderful aspects to African cultures such as ways they collectively handle dying, death and grief and amazing art. But homophobia is not something I wish to emulate.
Would consider rethinking this- a good amount of homophobia was brought in by white missionaries from denominations who have only relatively recently “come around” on social issues. It’s not a “cultural” things as much as the chickens coming home to roost, and I say this as a mainline progressive (though nonwhite) Christian. We can fight it while recognizing the role we had in creating it.
Yes it is definitely related to colonialism - I did not mean to blame them for this state of affairs. I lived in an African country where it is criminalized and it was so awful for gay friends . Many countries in Africa jail gay people and some even jail straight people under false accusations if they are political rivals.
I agree with you about the historical reasons being rooted in Christian colonialism. The churches I attended tend to be very literal and conservative.
However, they have many wonderful qualities also - incredible music, beautiful art, expansive ideas of family including many more than nuclear family units, trying to help low income workers and more. The ways they grieve loved ones collectively and as communities is often powerful. However, the homophobia is not something I wish for our church to return to .
Anonymous
02/14/2023 06:40
Subject: Re:What does recent decision of Anglican Church (denying gay marriage) mean for Episcopal Church ?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I was baptized and confirmed in the Church of England. I am now a member of an Episcopal Church. I am also gay and all this saddens me. So happy we found a Church here that welcomes us though.
Every church welcomes sinners. What a weird comment.
Some churches don't welcome certain kinds of sinners -- i.e., gays
Gay people are always welcome at any church. What are you even talking about?
No. Wake up.