Anonymous
01/30/2023 09:41
Subject: US and German tanks to Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An m1a2 weighs 55 tons
A leopard 2 is over 69 tons.
A t-72 is like 42 tons.
When the advanced t-90/armada broke down in a parade is sat in middle of Moscow for weeks as they could not find anything to tow it out with.
It only weighs 52 tons and they relied on trains to get them to the parade.
Ukraine will rely on trains to move the bigger tanks around. If Russia was struggling to move theirs I doubt Ukraine has any way to move them.
Tanks are like toddlers - plop and play for short periods of time and modern tanks make the tiger tank look like a Toyota for repair and maintenance.
Ehhh just leave it to creative Ukrainian farmers. At this point they probably know more about moving heavy military equipment than most militaries do.
You should see the roads at Ft. Bragg where tanks cross.
There are warning signs that say “tanks have right of way”. Then your car goes over where tanks have passed rips your undercarriage off.
Main battle tanks are cool to see in a museum or a movie; you want to be on another continent when they are in operation.
No farmer is moving them; nothing is is moving them other than massive kinetic energy that I do not want to be within 10
Miles of. I’m
NP and not an expert, obviously, but there have been tons of videos on Twitter and YouTube of Ukrainian farmers towing tanks with their giant John Deere tractors.
Yep - lots of disabled and abandoned Russian equipment was recovered by farmers to bring back, repair and refurbish by use by Ukrainians. Ukraine was able to capture and convert hundreds of Russian tanks that way. Granted also that a T-72 or BMP isn't quite as heavy as an Abrams but to flatly dismiss it as impossible would need validation.
Anonymous
01/30/2023 09:23
Subject: US and German tanks to Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
BTW, could we stop talking about Ukrainians like they’re idiots comparable to US recruits who train for a year on something? The entire population is highly motivated and highly educated.
There is no such thing as a country where the ENTIRE population is highly educated. I mean who do you think mops the floors there? Paints houses? Carries bricks? Cleans streets? Come on.
I don’t know who is mopping the floors or cleaning streets, but if they’re Ukrainian, they can read. Ukraine has a 100% literacy rate. It has a high rate of secondary completion (97%) and 83% enrollment rate in college. It has a big IT engineering tech workforce. It has a English proficiency rate of 63%.
The idea that Ukrainians will take a long time to learn to use US weapons systems is just wrong. They are as capable as their US counterparts and the ones being sent for training already have extensive military experience on counterpart weapons systems. Plus they are motivated AF.
Anonymous
01/29/2023 12:25
Subject: US and German tanks to Ukraine
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:An m1a2 weighs 55 tons
A leopard 2 is over 69 tons.
A t-72 is like 42 tons.
When the advanced t-90/armada broke down in a parade is sat in middle of Moscow for weeks as they could not find anything to tow it out with.
It only weighs 52 tons and they relied on trains to get them to the parade.
Ukraine will rely on trains to move the bigger tanks around. If Russia was struggling to move theirs I doubt Ukraine has any way to move them.
Tanks are like toddlers - plop and play for short periods of time and modern tanks make the tiger tank look like a Toyota for repair and maintenance.
Ehhh just leave it to creative Ukrainian farmers. At this point they probably know more about moving heavy military equipment than most militaries do.
You should see the roads at Ft. Bragg where tanks cross.
There are warning signs that say “tanks have right of way”. Then your car goes over where tanks have passed rips your undercarriage off.
Main battle tanks are cool to see in a museum or a movie; you want to be on another continent when they are in operation.
No farmer is moving them; nothing is is moving them other than massive kinetic energy that I do not want to be within 10
Miles of. I’m
NP and not an expert, obviously, but there have been tons of videos on Twitter and YouTube of Ukrainian farmers towing tanks with their giant John Deere tractors.